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http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/ … 1612180033

Pitt club members investigating the Zodiac murders

Even with survivors, the suspect’s composite and his DNA, police have never identified the Zodiac, the self-named serial killer who terrorized northern California in the late ’60s and early ’70s.

Five killings are directly linked to him but in a 1974 letter, one in a series of taunting missives to Bay Area newspapers, the Zodiac indicated the number was actually 37.

And then, silence. The case went ice cold. It is one of the nation’s most notorious unsolved cases.

Until — possibly — now.

In November, more than two dozen cold-case investigators convened in Oakland to learn if a new Pittsburgh-based tip in the case was worth pursuing. Did a handwriting sample of a northern California man, submitted by his suspicious daughter, match that of the Zodiac Killer? They wanted to know.

Nationally renowned handwriting expert Michelle Dresbold of the East End told them there are so many similarities, many of them quite unusual, in what she could compare between the handwriting samples of the Zodiac and the father that further investigation is definitely warranted.

“There is enough — more than enough — to consider this valid,” she told the excited group.

The investigators plan to get right back on the case — now that a new semester has begun at the University of Pittsburgh.

The amateur sleuths are members of Pitt’s Students Conquering Cold Cases club. Ms. Dresbold’s presentation was their last meeting of the fall semester. Their first meeting of the spring semester will be Wednesday, when they’ll resume examining the Zodiac case and others.

The members, who must meet certain academic and other criteria, plan careers in law, law enforcement and similar fields, and hone their analytic skills in tackling unsolved cases.

Recognized by the university in the 2015 fall semester as an official organization, the club has as its goal uncovering leads police can use to bring a sense of closure to victims’ families.

They are guided by retired Pittsburgh Police Cmdr. Ronald Freeman, who headed the city police violent crimes section and was involved with a cold case unit that included Pittsburgh and Allegheny County homicide detectives and the FBI. Now an adjunct professor at Pitt, he agreed to be the club’s sponsor.

In addition to the Zodiac Killer, the amateur investigators have taken on baffling cold cases such as the 2012 disappearance of 21-year-old Lebanon County woman, the 2005 Christmas Eve murder of a 94-year-old Beaver County woman and the 1993 slaying of a 74-year-old Westmoreland County woman.

“I think back to meetings with cold-case detectives and while the difference is [club members] don’t have the training and background in policing, they have the same enthusiasm and desire to solve these cases,” Mr. Freeman said.

“It’s surprising how really good they are at this. I’m really impressed with their skills and abilities.”

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Twenty-five students — 19 of them women — sit at circular tables in Room 231 of Pitt’s Lawrence Hall on Nov. 30. They are excited to learn if Ms. Dresbold holds any hope for them to further investigate the Zodiac, the subject of numerous books and several movies including the 2007 eponymous-named film starring Jake Gyllenhaal, Mark Ruffalo and Robert Downey Jr.

Each student has a laptop open in front of them that they use for taking notes, conducting Google searches and using social media to expand upon what Ms. Dresbold tells them. They use computers so much in their work that they are momentarily flummoxed when Ms. Dresbold asks them to take out a piece of paper for an exercise.

“Every little thing you put in your writing says something about you,” says Ms. Dresbold, who is known for her work with Pittsburgh and other local, state and federal law enforcement agencies and her book “Sex, Lies and Handwriting,” which includes her analysis of handwriting in the JonBenet Ramsey, Lizzie Borden and Jack the Ripper cases, among others.

Using a large projection screen, she points to similarities between the Zodiac Killer’s handwriting and that of the California man — dots above “i’s” that aren’t filled in and squeezed “o’s”; odd spacing and “d’s” leaning to the right; similar “p’s” and weirdly shaped “g’s”; misspellings and “t’s” curved at the bottom.

“There are a lot of things that are pretty unusual,” she told the group. “I was kind of shocked. I was not expecting this.

“Do we have an exact match? No. But I really wonder why so many things are similar. I think there’s too much to not take it seriously,” says Ms. Dresbold, who said she needs more of the father’s samples to conduct a complete analysis.

Mr. Freeman said in an interview that he plans to contact a California police laboratory “and share what information we have and to see if there is anything they want us to do and anything they’ll do.”

He was surprised to learn while researching the case that thousands of people had said over more than four decades that they know the Zodiac Killer’s identity.

“I was thinking, ‘Is this one of those thousands?’ and then Michelle comes up with this information. We’re compelled to move forward and try to get DNA. It’s high on our agenda [this] semester.”

Club president Alexandra Morgan, 20, a sophomore from Mechanicsburg, Cumberland County, agreed; “We definitely have a lot of work [this] semester, so I’m looking forward to it.”

The Zodiac Killer’s case came to the club because a Downtown woman had been looking for a handwriting expert and found Ms. Dresbold. The woman told her this tale:

She and her boyfriend last year had visited her father in northern California, where he also had lived at the time of the Zodiac killings. One night, he disappeared for six hours, returning in the early morning hours. Carrying a whiskey bottle, he woke the couple and oddly began quizzing them on what they knew about serial killers and asked them to name one that had never been caught.

His demeanor was so strange, so dark, so off, his daughter thought. Chillingly, she learned there had been a murder during the time her father was out. The woman began investigating unsolved serial killings in the area and came upon the Zodiac Killer case. Fearing her father was the serial killer, she gave Ms. Dresbold a 2015 Christmas card with her father’s handwriting for comparison.

Ms. Dresbold gets similar requests about 10 times a year from people who mistakenly think a relative is a killer and want her to profile their writing. But this was different.

“The punctuation, spacing, strange letter formation, the angles — I was pretty taken aback by [the comparison]," she said in an interview. “I really think the authorities should follow up on this man.”

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Posted : January 8, 2017 11:18 am
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At least the daughter can provide DNA. It’s something.

Thanks for sharing.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : January 9, 2017 12:22 am
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We never know what could lead to Z’s ID, could be something this simple…..

 
Posted : January 9, 2017 7:33 am
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“Do we have an exact match? No. But I really wonder why so many things are similar. I think there’s too much to not take it seriously,” says Ms. Dresbold, who said she needs more of the father’s samples to conduct a complete analysis.

The great conundrum.


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : January 9, 2017 2:06 pm
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The oblique bragging behavior certainly fits. Still, I won’t be getting my hopes up that this leads anywhere.

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Posted : January 9, 2017 7:43 pm
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Unfortunately,DNA & DNA alone will solve the case,not handwriting,or..if she has her Father’s prints someplace

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
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Posted : January 9, 2017 7:46 pm
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I have posted before that in the early 90s, by chance I ran across a greeting card with printing that, to my eyes, matched Z’s. Since my POI graduated college with a degree in Graphic Arts, I found this interesting, to say the least. Anyone know who I could contact re, say, a list of greeting card artists active in the 90s?

 
Posted : January 10, 2017 3:33 am
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I wish they’d have included a picture of the father’s handwriting for us all to see. Things stay quiet and just as you’re starting to lose faith in them ever discovering Zodiac’s identity – BAM, an interesting story.

 
Posted : January 10, 2017 5:35 am
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I also wish there had been more compelling info – like, does the daughter think the PH sketch looks like her father, etc.

From the article it sounds like this guy might still be alive. If so, was this the best way to move forward – going public with a weak, undeveloped theory. letting him know his daughter was accusing him of being Z? Or would it have been better to develop the case a little, get enough justification for a search warrant, and try to gather evidence that might otherwise be destroyed?

Since the guy was alive in 2015 there should be tons of his writing around.

Morf, do you think you might want to reach out to that group in Pittsburgh and invite them to join your site and participate in this thread?

 
Posted : January 10, 2017 8:14 am
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I also wish there had been more compelling info – like, does the daughter think the PH sketch looks like her father, etc.

From the article it sounds like this guy might still be alive. If so, was this the best way to move forward – going public with a weak, undeveloped theory. letting him know his daughter was accusing him of being Z? Or would it have been better to develop the case a little, get enough justification for a search warrant, and try to gather evidence that might otherwise be destroyed?

Since the guy was alive in 2015 there should be tons of his writing around.

Morf, do you think you might want to reach out to that group in Pittsburgh and invite them to join your site and participate in this thread?[/quote]

I have reached out to Michelle Dresbold, but not expecting a reply… so if anyone else wants to give it a shot, please do. I looked her up on the goggles and saw she had a facebook. Upon scanning over her profile, I noticed Kevin Robert Brooks comments on most of the photos she posts. Kinda funny.

A few minutes ago on a toilet not very far, far away….

 
Posted : January 10, 2017 3:02 pm
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I also wish there had been more compelling info – like, does the daughter think the PH sketch looks like her father, etc.

From the article it sounds like this guy might still be alive. If so, was this the best way to move forward – going public with a weak, undeveloped theory. letting him know his daughter was accusing him of being Z? Or would it have been better to develop the case a little, get enough justification for a search warrant, and try to gather evidence that might otherwise be destroyed?

Since the guy was alive in 2015 there should be tons of his writing around.

Morf, do you think you might want to reach out to that group in Pittsburgh and invite them to join your site and participate in this thread?

Sure, I could give them a shout

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Posted : January 10, 2017 7:06 pm
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She is my new friend on Face Book, so she seems to be friendly enough and probably interested in learning more about the case?
I agree with Morf that handwriting alone won’t break the case, it will take DNA or more of Stine’s shirt, wallet,or some other known victim evidence.
I wouldn’t build our hopes up just yet.

 
Posted : January 11, 2017 11:45 am
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So Dad was the Zodiac. Never heard that one before. It’s 2015 or 2016 and old man Z is getting drunk and (apparently) very sloppy. And a murder even took police while he was out that and about night! Then he comes home whiskey bottle in hand and in essence says to his daughter, "Don’t you know who I am! Do some research! I’ve already sent you my handwriting every Christmas!" Very melodramatic. We are to believe that Z is desperate for attention now and secretly "wants to get caught." Do people who were as successful at evading capture REALLY "want to get caught after a while?" John List didn’t.

If Z was so lonely, why not send another letter to the press and make a comeback like BTK did? Certainly, that would be much safer. Or does he secretly long to be in jail? Maybe he can have Manson’s cell if he just waits a bit longer….When the handwriting lady says that the handwriting is not all there or whatever she said, does she mean that certain elements are there but do NOT match, or that these elements are missing so they cannot be compared at all?

Mike Rodelli

Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : January 11, 2017 6:37 pm
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So what do we all think Z has been doing since 1974? If people are adamant that he did not disguise his handwriting as Z, would he just use that same handwriting for 47 years on Christmas cards, letters and forms safe in the knowledge that he would never be found out? What would you have done? Would you have challenged people to ID you as overtly and brazenly as that? Seriously. How naïve are we?

Mike Rodelli

Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : January 11, 2017 9:03 pm
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I don’t think anyone here is thinking this new guy is positively (or even likely) Z. But following up on any leads, even slim ones, seems prudent at this point. Isn’t that basically why we all visit this site?

 
Posted : January 11, 2017 11:42 pm
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