yeah, like which of them has done time in prison. For the Zodiac, maybe the guy never did any time, but for EAR/ONS I’d say that is nearly impossible.

When did they start collecting DNA from prisoners? They have not had any hits,so if he has been in a CA prison,it hasn’t been since they started collecting DNA

Here’s a 5 page pdf on DNA collection from prisoners in California from the state attorney’s general office.

http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/pdf/69IB_121508.pdf

The practice started in 2009 but DNA cannot be collected retroactively. In other words, if a prisoner was incarcerated before 2009 s/he cannot be compelled to give a DNA sample except under certain circumstances. However, prisoners are now swabbed upon release from prison. So, if Ear/Ons was imprisoned before 2009 in a California prison and is still there, his DNA will not be in the database.

for what it’s worth, the folks on the ear/ons proboard seem to think that article is incorrect and the reporter mixed up the sheriff’s department relaunching a review with the fbi’s continuing to consider the case open.

Here’s a 5 page pdf on DNA collection from prisoners in California from the state attorney’s general office.

http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/pdf/69IB_121508.pdf

The practice started in 2009 but DNA cannot be collected retroactively. In other words, if a prisoner was incarcerated before 2009 s/he cannot be compelled to give a DNA sample except under certain circumstances. However, prisoners are now swabbed upon release from prison. So, if Ear/Ons was imprisoned before 2009 in a California prison and is still there, his DNA will not be in the database.

Thanks for posting Seagull. I hope that prisoners entering the prison after 2009 are being swabbed on the way in, and not waiting for them to come out.

It kind of bs, imo. Those in prison lose a lot of the typical rights we all share as free citizens. If someone has committed murder, they should very well have the DNA privacy right stripped–even those who were in prison prior to that decision.

Off topic. But you don’t have any right to DNA privacy, you just have a right to protection against unlawful searches. That doesn’t apply to prisoners, they can be searched whenever. It’s just that it’s a relatively new technology so it took awhile to put it into law that DNA collection be included in the search mandate. It’s easy enough to make part of the standard intake procedure, that’s why they do it that way. I imagine the reason they don’t do it to prisoners who were already there is more for logistical reasons than legal ones. I also assume that by "collecting it when they get out", they mean for people who were in prison before 2009, not for people who are sentenced now and having to wait till the end of their time served.

I’m conflicted on that last point. I don’t know when California started collecting DNA or what the limitations/exclusions exist on collecting DNA there. I agree with point about Zodiac. I don’t think he ever spent any time in prison. With the breadth and volume of offenses EAR/ONS committed, logic would say at some point he would get pinched. But…no DNA matches. Maybe he got arrested before the statue was enacted and I’m guessing it wasn’t retroactive? He was lucky no doubt, but pretty criminally sophisticated too. Personally I think he got into a relationship that produced a kid or two and went dormant. What we know about Dennis Rader is even after a prolonged period of dormancy, the urges arise again. Before that happened, I think he died, maybe cancer, maybe an accident.

If he’s like BTK and still kicking, maybe a public interest piece in the newspaper or some community meetings might flush him out. I might put the burial sites of the victims in the paper and then stake those places out to see if he shows up.

I’m conflicted on that last point. I don’t know when California started collecting DNA or what the limitations/exclusions exist on collecting DNA there. I agree with point about Zodiac. I don’t think he ever spent any time in prison. With the breadth and volume of offenses EAR/ONS committed, logic would say at some point he would get pinched. But…no DNA matches. Maybe he got arrested before the statue was enacted and I’m guessing it wasn’t retroactive? He was lucky no doubt, but pretty criminally sophisticated too. Personally I think he got into a relationship that produced a kid or two and went dormant. What we know about Dennis Rader is even after a prolonged period of dormancy, the urges arise again. Before that happened, I think he died, maybe cancer, maybe an accident.

If he’s like BTK and still kicking, maybe a public interest piece in the newspaper or some community meetings might flush him out. I might put the burial sites of the victims in the paper and then stake those places out to see if he shows up.

I found this document regarding the collection of DNA from California inmates. It is widely assumed that because a person is imprisoned for a felony crime that his DNA is automatically taken and entered into a database. After reading this document I do not believe this is the case. It seems that the law requiring the DNA collection is not retroactive but only applies to those arrested after a certain date. Here is a quote from the document–

"Collection of DNA samples from an adult arrested for a felony offense must be based solely upon the offense that was the basis for the arrest.

The January 1, 2009, provisions governing DNA sample collection from adults arrested for any felony offense are not retroactive and so do not permit collection for arrests that took place prior to 2009."

Here is a link to the document so that you can study it yourself and see if I have reached the proper conclusion. It is a five page pdf.

http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/pdf/69IB_121508.pdf

Thanks. I think I was looking in the same site, just a different place. So it looks like it started in 2004 with Prop 69, which had pretty limited qualifying offenses (murder, manslaughter, sex offenses). Then it was expanded in 2009 to include all felony convictions. And you’re right, it’s not retroactive. So I suppose it is conceivable that EAR/ONS was arrested and put on ice for a while. If he got pinched for a burglary or breaking and entering, his DNA wouldn’t have been collected prior to 2009. Maybe he’s still locked up. I would think a savvy prison caseworker might be able to connect some dots and place him in the areas during the time of the offenses.

News article from the Sacramento Bee about the 40th anniversary of the Maggoire murders with two clues that police want to follow up on. One is a person showed up at a hospital with a broken shoulder after a EAR/ONS crime with a stolen ID and fled before sheriff’s arrived. There was a 13 week gap in EAR/ONS crimes afterward. Also a pair of glasses found at a 1973 crime scene.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/ … 28629.html

Just saw you morf. Great job!

Just saw you morf. Great job!

was Morf on the recent History 4 part show on the Golden State Killer?
I thought that was relatively well done. Though at the end when they included the Visalia Ransacker stuff the dude said he didn’t think they were connected. wrong-The Visalia Ransacker was definitely the same guy IMHO.

Glad you all watched it, the EAR/GSK case needs to be solved 12+ murders, 50+ rapes, 100+ Home burglaries

Morf….Great job!! Good to see you.

This one sure does seem like it could be solved. So many people involved and so mary years to gather information from. I like that new partial DNA concept.

Finally got to watch this. Great job morf.