I was looking forward to this one.

The first 2 were outstanding!….great information!

Nice enjoyed the first 2 can’t wait to find the time to listen to this one.

It’s very plausible that he was inspired to commit a stabbing attack by the Snoozy-Furlong murders as Richard suggests, but it seems just as likely the Manson Family’s Tate-Labianca murders a month prior to Lake Berryessa were an inspiration.

It’s very plausible that he was inspired to commit a stabbing attack by the Snoozy-Furlong murders as Richard suggests, but it seems just as likely the Manson Family’s Tate-Labianca murders a month prior to Lake Berryessa were an inspiration.

It’s certainly possible, but the Snoozy/Furlong connections will be linked through at least 5 (possibly 6) communications and a phone call, spanning 2 years. The Manson connection can be argued in the May 2nd 1978 Channel 9 letter. So, the August 3rd stabbings had longevity in the mind of the killer.

It’s very plausible that he was inspired to commit a stabbing attack by the Snoozy-Furlong murders as Richard suggests, but it seems just as likely the Manson Family’s Tate-Labianca murders a month prior to Lake Berryessa were an inspiration.

It’s certainly possible, but the Snoozy/Furlong connections will be linked through at least 5 (possibly 6) communications and a phone call, spanning 2 years. The Manson connection can be argued in the May 2nd 1978 Channel 9 letter. So, the August 3rd stabbings had longevity in the mind of the killer.

Frankly I think the Channel 9 letter is an obvious hoax. But I’ve always thought the Manson murders would have contributed to Zodiac’s overall frustration and desire to regain media focus. At the Tate-Labianca crime scenes the killers wrote on the walls using the victims’ blood, much like how Zodiac would write on the car door (which is why law enforcement considered a Zodiac/Manson Family connection at the time). You might want to go into this on the podcast.

The Channel 9 letter may very well be a hoax, although it is an interesting addition bearing in mind its arrival shortly after the hotly contested April 24th letter. It’s difficult to rule it in or out.

The Channel 9 letter may very well be a hoax, although it is an interesting addition bearing in mind its arrival shortly after the hotly contested April 24th letter. It’s difficult to rule it in or out.

If both are hoaxes then the April 24 letter is a slightly more convincing fake, in my opinion. Both the handwriting and the author’s voice in the Channel 9 letter are drastically different to the verified Zodiac communications. The writing style (not handwriting) is something to gage instinctively. For example, I believe the Halloween card was a Zodiac communication and the SLA letter could be from Zodiac even if there was in fact no connection, just based on how it reads.

I enjoy these podcasts. You guys bring up interesting things that I didn’t know before such as Cecelia Shepard saying that she saw Zodiac wearing glasses before he put on the hood. Maybe Zodiac really did wear glasses in his everyday life.

I hope you put these podcasts on YouTube so that more people can listen to them.

The Channel 9 letter may very well be a hoax, although it is an interesting addition bearing in mind its arrival shortly after the hotly contested April 24th letter. It’s difficult to rule it in or out.

If both are hoaxes then the April 24 letter is a slightly more convincing fake, in my opinion. Both the handwriting and the author’s voice in the Channel 9 letter are drastically different to the verified Zodiac communications. The writing style (not handwriting) is something to gage instinctively. For example, I believe the Halloween card was a Zodiac communication and the SLA letter could be from Zodiac even if there was in fact no connection, just based on how it reads.

I will say, that although handwriting analysis can compliment the authentication of a letter, it shouldn’t be relied upon. Ask 100 certified document examiners whether Patsy Ramsey authored the ransom note in the case of her murdered daughter and see the percentage who say yes and no. The answer will tell you evertthing you need to know about handwriting analysis, that it is subjective, but not definitive. Therefore, a list of authenticated and non-authenticated Zodiac Killer letters, which includes communications based on nothing more than handwriting analysis, is a subjective list. Authentication of correspondence shouldn’t rely solely on handwriting analysis, which is why US courts have strict rules governing what can be claimed through handwriting analysis.

The Channel 9 letter may very well be a hoax, although it is an interesting addition bearing in mind its arrival shortly after the hotly contested April 24th letter. It’s difficult to rule it in or out.

If both are hoaxes then the April 24 letter is a slightly more convincing fake, in my opinion. Both the handwriting and the author’s voice in the Channel 9 letter are drastically different to the verified Zodiac communications. The writing style (not handwriting) is something to gage instinctively. For example, I believe the Halloween card was a Zodiac communication and the SLA letter could be from Zodiac even if there was in fact no connection, just based on how it reads.

I will say, that although handwriting analysis can compliment the authentication of a letter, it shouldn’t be relied upon. Ask 100 certified document examiners whether Patsy Ramsey authored the ransom note in the case of her murdered daughter and see the percentage who say yes and no. The answer will tell you evertthing you need to know about handwriting analysis, that it is subjective, but not definitive. Therefore, a list of authenticated and non-authenticated Zodiac Killer letters, which includes communications based on nothing more than handwriting analysis, is a subjective list. Authentication of correspondence shouldn’t rely solely on handwriting analysis, which is why US courts have strict rules governing what can be claimed through handwriting analysis.

I agree that handwriting is overrated as a means of identification but that isn’t the main reason I tend to think the Channel 9 letter was a hoax by a Charles Manson sympathizer. When I refer to the "voice" of the authentic Zodiac letter I refer to the distinctive personality reflected in the communications, not handwriting style. A militant counter-culturalist who uses racial slurs, as in the case of the Channel 9 letters, does not align with Zodiac’s evident personality.

Excellent and thorough discussion of the Lake Berryessa crimes!
Z’s absolutely bizarre performance that day speaks to extremely weird pathological fantasies driving him. The terrorizing letters and ciphers probably only hint at his level of mental devo. I truly think we have no idea what was driving the mask, the escape ruse, the bayonet…. His pathology was totally his own and he was playing it out. Creep.

Just listened to episode 3…….outstanding again….

Very good and straightforward coverage, thank you. Looking forward for more, mostly on Riverside and San Francisco.

P.S. Do you guys plan on covering Gaviota and maybe Ocean Beach? – both double homicides with very strong Z connection IMO.