Didn’t Paul Stine’s sister tell us in chat at Zkiller.com, that Joe did not live in Vallejo? I found a Stine there but not Joe, he could have lived with a relative and the sister forgot?
I do not think that Joe had anything to do with any Zodiac murders. In a homicide the detectives start first with family members, so he was probably eliminated as a suspect.

From what I have learned about Paul, if you knew him you loved him, he was a wonderful person.

Didn’t Paul Stine’s sister tell us in chat at Zkiller.com, that Joe did not live in Vallejo? I found a Stine there but not Joe, he could have lived with a relative and the sister forgot?
I do not think that Joe had anything to do with any Zodiac murders. In a homicide the detectives start first with family members, so he was probably eliminated as a suspect.

From what I have learned about Paul, if you knew him you loved him, he was a wonderful person.

He did indeed live in Modesto, however it seems he had lived in Vallejo before (see obituary article in this thread). Unclear when he had moved, possibly after his step-father Roy James Harrison had died..obituary says that Harrison had lived in Modesto for 28 years. His wife had died three years later, having lived in Modesto for 31 years..therefore I guess they (Harrison and the Stine brother) in about 1957 (thus most likely Joe had lived in Vallejo when he still was a child).

We can finally assume a connection between Joe/Paul Stine and the Vallejo area (his stepfather).

QT

I think the notion that Joe Stine was Zodiac and killed his own brother is quite grotesque.

I agree with Nachtsider!

For the edification of the people who are too lazy to go back and read the whole thread. Joe Stine and his wife Helen are listed as living in NAPA in the 1967 Polk’s Directory.

Joe Stine and Helen’s marriage record.

The sister who said that Joe did not live in Vallejo in 1968, lived in Vallejo herself from at least 1967 to 1973. Go back to the first page of the thread and read about that.

It’s possible that the person who wrote up Roy Harrison’s obit confused which of his step children lived where in 1968. It’s also possible that Joe and his wife Helen had moved to Vallejo briefly before divorcing September 1970 and that information is not reflected in the city directories.

So, Joe Stine did not live in Vallejo as a child. Furthermore Audra (Busby) Stine Harrison died in 1988, not three years after her husband Roy Harrison.

EDIT!!!!!

I went back and reread the thread, which I should have done before posting. The CXXXX Nease, husband Alford, who lived in Vallejo in 1968 onward is not Joe and Paul Stine’s sister. There were two CXXXX Stine’s born in 1943, one in LA County and one in Shasta County. It is the CXXXX Stine that was born in LA County and married Alford Nease that moved to Vallejo. Her mother’s maiden name was Maddes.

I think the notion that Joe Stine was Zodiac and killed his own brother is quite grotesque.

Yes. But sadly not out of the realm of possibilities.

Yep, I am one of those who were either too lazy or had other things that needed to get done that day to read 5 pages.This morning I had the time and did read them.
I still don’t understand why Paul’s Stine’s sister didn’t know or didn’t remember where Joe had lived? I also wonder about the other things she had to say about Gyke being at Paul’s funeral, or the "tall" guy who followed her? Is seems that when relatives are contacted by someone as well known in the Z case as Tom V.is. They are excited to talk to him about their family member who was killed and believe the person that they are talking to ,has the true name of the Zodiac and wants to help him solve the case.

Is it just me who thinks that some of these people tell Tom what they think he wants to hear,to make him like them or or make him happy? Nancy Slover adored Tom and said Gykes voice was very much like the voice she had heard on July 5th 1969.
Yet Gykes voice was neither slow talking as if he was reading a script, neither was it monotone or a deep raspy sounding voice,like the voice we have been told Zodiac’s voice was like.
I haven’t seen any picture of him when he looked close to being stocky or shorter. (This is only my opinion and of course I have my own suspects,one of which matches the age,fits the description,has a voice like Zodiac and who prints just like him)
Joe Stine’s voice was not at all like Zodiac’s either.
If anyone has a suspect with that sort of voice, who has a formal way of speaking and looks like the known description, who is old enough,( Not 16 yrs old in 1969 LOL)who writes like Zodiac and who possibly either lived or worked in the Vallejo area. Then you could be onto a good suspect.

Rather not, the wounds were quite fresh ones and as far as I know he had claimed that he had gotten slapped by a girl. CJB was three years earlier. Nevertheless I agree that CJBs situation would rather lead to such injuries than shooting Paul Stine into the back of his head.

QT

Paul was shot behind the right ear. He had dark marks on his left hand. Many have questions what those dark marks were. Did Paul use his left hand to maybe try and grab the gun/fight back in the moment before his shooting?

Tahoe…

I’m one of those who will always believe that if I’m Z and even remotely thinking of shooting Paul I’m going in the back seat, period. No way I’m going to tip my hand or allow Paul to see what’s coming. That being said I always thought the most logical reason for the marks on the back of Paul’s hand would be that Paul had told Z what the fare was and had reached towards the back seat with his left hand to get the $$ and right about that time Z fires. I don’t recall the autopsy stating they tested those marks at all. Today obviously they would have. Not sure either if they really checked the cab for any kind of splatter. I believe the bullet never left Paul, so there wouldn’t be any frontal splatter, but I would think there still would have been some back splatter towards the back seat area, back of Paul’s seat etc. if the shot came from behind. Of course forensics today is handled totally different than it was in 1969. I don’t think today there would ever been a question where Z was when he shot Paul, the forensics would prove that without any doubt at all.

BayArea60s

Yes, it is odd. There is talk of splatter on the dashboard…which is strange with no exit wound. I agree, about forensics today. I too always felt Zodiac would be in the back. Seems like a logical place to be if one considers where Paul was shot, but that’s not to say it impossible from the front seat.

Paul wasn’t shot in the back of the head which you might expect from a guy sitting behind him – he was shot in his cheekbone in the right side of his face. Would make sense if someone was sitting up front and would account for no splatter in the back.

Brings us back to whether Paul knew his murderer…

Paul wasn’t shot in the back of the head which you might expect from a guy sitting behind him – he was shot in his cheekbone in the right side of his face. Would make sense if someone was sitting up front and would account for no splatter in the back.

Brings us back to whether Paul knew his murderer…

Yes, the report says anterior to the right ear. I was thinking it was just behind the ear, but it was in front of it.

Paul wasn’t shot in the back of the head which you might expect from a guy sitting behind him – he was shot in his cheekbone in the right side of his face. Would make sense if someone was sitting up front and would account for no splatter in the back.

Brings us back to whether Paul knew his murderer…

A bit off topic but do we know if Paul was a sinistral? Because of Joe Stines scratches in the left part of his face..

QT

When you look at the trajectory of the shot, the bullet enters just above ear lobe level and right in front of ear, and the bullet travels towards the front of Paul’s face. So if shot comes from front seat Paul’s face would be towards driver’s side window, turned totally away from passenger side. That I guess could happen, anything is possible when we’re talking about a split second’s worth of time. There wouldn’t be much if any splatter since the bullet stayed in Paul’s head. The shot from behind still makes more sense to me, but again we’re talking split seconds so almost anything is possible.
One thing I will say cause I noticed this way back when he first came on TV, and it is that Joe Stine is a dead ringer for that composite. Now they say everyone looked like Z, well Joe Stine certainly did.

One thing I will say cause I noticed this way back when he first came on TV, and it is that Joe Stine is a dead ringer for that composite. Now they say everyone looked like Z, well Joe Stine certainly did.

Joe wasn’t large enough to fit the description.

One thing I will say cause I noticed this way back when he first came on TV, and it is that Joe Stine is a dead ringer for that composite. Now they say everyone looked like Z, well Joe Stine certainly did.

Joe wasn’t large enough to fit the description.

Which one?