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What the Robbins witnesses saw

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lendor.77
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Hi Shaq! First of all, congratulations on the work you’ve done. As an architect, I know very well what it means to spend time on this kind of thing, the hours just fly by without you even noticing!

I also wanted to share an interesting video with you about the famous Zodiac composite sketch. It includes some thoughts on the possibility that the sketch may not fully reflect what the survivors actually saw.

Here’s the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taL5qoQtlp8

The interesting part starts at around 57:15. Unfortunately, the video is in Italian, but you should be able to use automatically translated subtitles.

Have a great day!


 
Posted : September 13, 2026 12:59 pm
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Given that we now have determinable eye-to-subject distances and angles obtainable from our model, we can go on to make some broad deductions about what degree of feature detail we might accept as having been realistically discernible by the Robbins witnesses. Specifically, we might want to ask whether the viewing conditions were such that we can have confidence in the rendering of the composite sketches that were produced and, if only so to a limited degree, then to what limit.

As our research above led us to note, a common standard for the minimal angle of resolution (MAR) for 20-20 vision under ideal viewing conditions is 1 arcminute (1′), or a sixtieth of a degree. As pointed out, however, we cannot assume such ideal viewing conditions as being those experienced by our witnesses, but what we can do is perform a graded analysis to steadily introduce degrees of visual separation degradation, taking this down to, say, 2′ and even 4′.

For our modelling, then, we will introduce something we can call a ‘Resolution Factor’ (RF). For any given feature of our scene, we can calculate an RF using:

Using this formula, we will be able to extract precise measurements from within our model, deduce a resolution factor for each of our key features of interest under the various minimal angles of resolution and then grade them according to a deterministic set of interpretive bands, which we can define next.


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Posted : September 14, 2026 4:57 pm
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For our interpretive banding of the extent to which specific features may be clearly discernible under our chosen visual conditions, we will make use of the following classification:


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Posted : September 14, 2026 5:05 pm
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Here, then, are the results we would obtain for our three candidate MARs of 1′, 2′ and 4′ for a figure of height 5′ 8′′ standing 45.70 ft away in an unobstructed face-on view.

Idealised 1′ resolution

Feature Angular extent RF at 1′ Interpretation
Full figure height 425.7′ 425.7 Clearly shaped
Maximum body width / build 166.8′ 166.8 Clearly shaped
Shoulder width 144.4′ 144.4 Clearly shaped
Head height 56.0′ 56.0 Clearly shaped
Head width 50.1′ 50.1 Clearly shaped
Glasses — overall width 43.6′ 43.6 Clearly shaped
Eye-to-eye centre spacing 19.8′ 19.8 Clearly shaped
Mouth width 18.3′ 18.3 Clearly shaped
Nose length 13.0′ 13.0 Clearly shaped
Nose width 12.7′ 12.7 Clearly shaped
Spectacle lens/frame height 10.0′ 10.0 Clearly shaped
Single eye aperture width 7.4′ 7.4 Coarsely shaped
Lip vertical thickness 3.2′ 3.2 Distinct mark
Spectacle-frame/temple thickness 1.5′ 1.5 Marginal

 


Baseline 2′ resolution

Feature Angular extent RF at 2′ Interpretation
Full figure height 425.7′ 212.9 Clearly shaped
Maximum body width / build 166.8′ 83.4 Clearly shaped
Shoulder width 144.4′ 72.2 Clearly shaped
Head height 56.0′ 28.0 Clearly shaped
Head width 50.1′ 25.1 Clearly shaped
Glasses — overall width 43.6′ 21.8 Clearly shaped
Eye-to-eye centre spacing 19.8′ 9.9 Coarsely shaped
Mouth width 18.3′ 9.1 Coarsely shaped
Nose length 13.0′ 6.5 Coarsely shaped
Nose width 12.7′ 6.4 Coarsely shaped
Spectacle lens/frame height 10.0′ 5.0 Coarsely shaped
Single eye aperture width 7.4′ 3.7 Distinct mark
Lip vertical thickness 3.2′ 1.6 Marginal
Spectacle-frame/temple thickness 1.5′ 0.7 Not separately resolved

 


Degraded 4′ resolution

Feature Angular extent RF at 4′ Interpretation
Full figure height 425.7′ 106.4 Clearly shaped
Maximum body width / build 166.8′ 41.7 Clearly shaped
Shoulder width 144.4′ 36.1 Clearly shaped
Head height 56.0′ 14.0 Clearly shaped
Head width 50.1′ 12.5 Clearly shaped
Glasses — overall width 43.6′ 10.9 Clearly shaped
Eye-to-eye centre spacing 19.8′ 5.0 Coarsely shaped
Mouth width 18.3′ 4.6 Distinct mark
Nose length 13.0′ 3.2 Distinct mark
Nose width 12.7′ 3.2 Distinct mark
Spectacle lens/frame height 10.0′ 2.5 Distinct mark
Single eye aperture width 7.4′ 1.9 Marginal
Lip vertical thickness 3.2′ 0.8 Not separately resolved
Spectacle-frame/temple thickness 1.5′ 0.4 Not separately resolved

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Posted : September 14, 2026 5:23 pm
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Taking this data, we can go one step further and offer it in visual representation, one rendering for each MAR of 1′, 2′ and 4′, respectively. It needs to be clearly noted, however, that the following images are not in any sense intended to convey how our figure would appear to our witnesses’ vision. Rather, they convey the specific degradations we have identified in visual acuity and the ability to distinguish and describe specific features.

For the three cases considered, we have:


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Posted : September 14, 2026 5:44 pm
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