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Zodiac and MUNI: To Union Square and Back Again

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Russ Thompson
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That would create a witness to that evening who never since came forward.

But not an impossible scenario. People really did share cabs, hold cabs, back in that day.

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That was too much!

 
Posted : December 29, 2022 9:46 pm
Quicksilver
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@russ-thompson…..I have never reconciled in my mind as to why he would leave his car in the Presidio area and go back to Union Square and come back again…..another thing I have never reconciled if Fouke and Zelms really did speak to the Zodiac….in Zodiac’s letter, a month after Stine’s murder, he mentioned that two cops pulled a goof….a few things bother me…..since in the past, with Zodiacs nature, why did he wait a month to bring it up?….if true, I think he would immediately rubbed SFPD’s  nose in it……does anyone know if this incident was documented or released after the murder and when?…..what I am getting at is this may be a clue as to the Zodiac having access to this information that would indicate the possibility he was LE or a journalist……..

 
Posted : December 29, 2022 10:08 pm
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@russ-thompson ……possibly an accomplice to get the cab to the location?

 
Posted : December 30, 2022 12:03 am
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A short timeline:

10-11-69 Paul Stine homicide (Z)
10-12-69 Raid at Charles Manson’s ‘Barker range’
10-13-69 Stine shirt letter (Z)
10-20-69 Meeting scheduled with 27 investigators on Z
10-20-69 Jim Dunbar TV Show call
10-23-69 Joe Stine talks to the media
11-08-69 Dripping Pen card (Z)
11-09-69 Bus bomb letter (Z)
11-14-69 Claudia Leigh Smith homicide (Manson)
11-15-69 Reet Silvia Juretson homicide (Manson)
11-21-69 James Sharp / Doreen Gaul homicide (Manson)
11-24-69 Raphael Norbert Colar (Z?)
11-28-69 Betty Ruth Aardsma homicide
12-01-69 Elaine Louise Davis homicide (Z?)
12-01-69 Joel Dean Pugh (Davis?)
12-07-69 Fairfield letter (Z)
12-08-69 Oklahoma Radio station call (that Z had moved to Oklahoma)
12-10-69 Leona LaRell Roberts homicide
12-10-69 Flt 555 letter
12-16-69 Bleeding knife letter (Z)
12-16-69 This state is in trouble letter (Z)
12-19-69 San Jose police station call (Z?)
12-20-69 Christmass/Belli letter (Z)
01-01-70 Eric Alvin Zelms homicide (Fuller/Webster)
01-02-70 FBI Sacramento call (Z? ‘I just killed..’)

As you can see, Z did not wait very long after Paul Stine murder (two days only). It was Z high season.

What is interesting, however, is that Eric alvin ZELMS got killed not so long after he had seen Z together with Fouke – think this wasn’t mentioned too often.

Another one: Sharp/Gaul is interesting as the crime happened near Manson’s, he even had visited the same house at 921 Bonnie Brae Street (Scientology). However, a letter was found signed “The Zodiac killer”. This note has led to many confusions but in fact it may be assumed that the note was simply faked due to the recent media attention (eg. by Bruce Davis). Z never had signed “The Zodiac killer” but with ‘Zodiac’ or ‘Z’ or the cross-faded symbol only. Also the crimes happened in/near LA while Z had been sending letters from the bay area during that time. Finally, Manson had been a guest at 921, too, reportedly. This actually rules the Sharp/Gaul crimes somewhat out as a Z one, imo.

QT

*ZODIACHRONOLOGY*

 
Posted : December 31, 2022 11:36 am
Russ Thompson
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Posted by: @quicksilver

…..I have never reconciled in my mind as to why he would leave his car in the Presidio area and go back to Union Square and come back again….

I think Zodiac had an intimate knowledge of the presidio and theater area, probably related to employment (at one time or another). Z found a parking spot for himself and commuted the last distance to the theater. Parking is very tight in SF. Z may have done this trip recreationally many times before. On the return trip he directs the cab near to where he parked. I think the choice of intersection to commit the assault is then function of where he found good parking close enough to the theaters. 

That was too much!

 
Posted : January 3, 2023 10:42 pm
Quicksilver
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@russ-thompson …..I agree that would be very likely……

 
Posted : January 6, 2023 10:20 pm
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