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 drew
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Chappie, I don’t think we can rely on Richard’s Ireland article as a legit alibi — there are several instances of plagiarism throughout the article, and the bit about him being mistaken for a spy by an IRA operative also sounds fishy. I showed the plagiarized sections to a journalist at The Guardian, and he thought it very odd that an American journalist who traveled all the way to Ireland would have to resort to such "crude plagiarism," as he called it.

 
Posted : August 20, 2013 7:41 am
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An alibi supplied by Gaikowski’s friends, particularly people who worked with him at the anti-police Good Times, is not a credible alibi. Neither can anything in the Good Times itself be taken at face value. A newspaper can print whatever the hell it was to print.

Until his passport can be located, and stamps corresponding to a European trip can be seen inside it, all these claims of him being out of the country are just that: claims.

 
Posted : August 20, 2013 12:47 pm
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I don’t see any of these writings as being Z. Are any of these for sure done by Gaik? I guess there’s no way to know for sure, unless one of his old comrades could confirm any of these as being written by Gaik.

 
Posted : August 20, 2013 1:39 pm
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I don’t see any of these writings as being Z. Are any of these for sure done by Gaik? I guess there’s no way to know for sure, unless one of his old comrades could confirm any of these as being written by Gaik.

I honestly would trust that even less than our opinion of Zodiac’s handwriting, Bay. At least with Zodiac, we have a fairly extensive collection of handwriting examples to compare it to. On thing to keep in mind with the Good Times and Diggers stuff is that these were quasi-communal organizations. There were many people contributing to their communications and taking credit for one’s work wasn’t always a high priority. To my knowledge, none of that handwriting can be specifically connected to Gyke and it was probably produced by more than one person. The known handwriting I’ve seen from Gyke is cursive but really not compelling at all, IMO.

 
Posted : August 20, 2013 3:40 pm
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I don’t see any of these writings as being Z. Are any of these for sure done by Gaik? I guess there’s no way to know for sure, unless one of his old comrades could confirm any of these as being written by Gaik.

Does anybody not remember the confirmed Gaikowski writing? viewtopic.php?f=45&t=370
Look at the y’s and K’s, nothing even remotely close to anything Z ever wrote! A total non-match.
Writing Not a match. No record or account of him owning or shooting guns. Possibly in Europe during the LHR murders. Why is this Guy a suspect again? :roll: The lone interesting thing I see about him is that he was in Albany NY for a stretch around the same time as Darlene Ferrin and her Husband

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Posted : August 20, 2013 4:08 pm
Welsh Chappie
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So you honestly think that despite one witness to Gaik being out of CA, and there appearing to be evidence in the form of a Irish Tabloid seeming to suggest Gaik was, just as Bob Loomis suggests, out of Cali, we should not believe Loomis as he has an agenda and is colluding with The British, namely the Irish, who also seem to be helping a serial killer to evade detection by using their Newspaper’s to spread propaganda in hopes it keeps the truth covered up by presenting Gaik with false alibi’s, in which they write a feature article pretending that Dick is in their Country? You can honestly keep a straight face when saying that?

JFK and the lone assassin theory eat your heart out! Lee Harvey has nothing on Rich Gaikowski!

As for some of the article seeming to be incorrect, it’s a newspaper, that is what tabloid’s do! The S.F Chronicle would have us believe that the S.F Chief of Inspector in 1969 was called "Marvin Lee." Now is this a conspiracy carried out by Paul Avery in order to pretend that his name is Marvin, or has he just simply mis-heard Martin as Marvin? And one press article would have you believe that someone other than a man called ‘Paul Stine’ was shoot in The Richmond District on Oct 11, naming the victim incorrectly.

And just think about what it is you are saying in regards to Loomis. Your suggesting we take anything he says with a pinch of salt as he may have an agenda. Yes, I see. At the end of the day, who wouldn’t go public and give a false alibi to a man who’s dead with nothing to gain at all other than a charge of assisting an offender and obstruction of justice. I mean who among us wouldn’t lie for a friend of ours and falsify letters and evidence to suggest he was not able to have killed the two teenagers. That makes perfect sense!

"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.

 
Posted : August 20, 2013 4:23 pm
 drew
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The February, 1969 article published in the Knickerbocker News was entirely Gaikowski’s creation. It contains plagiarized quotes from a January 5th, Observer article, actual quotes from national figures, and comments from a "Protestant printer in Belfast" and a few unnamed men in a pub. He could easily have created this news story while in England and faxed it in from there.

 
Posted : August 20, 2013 7:30 pm
Welsh Chappie
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Well Ok, if we ignore the articles in the press along with Bob Loomis witness testimony of Gaik being out of State as being non-credible due to his having known and been a friend of Richards, how are we going to find a way to dismiss Bob’s letters that he has from Gaik that are postmarked from many a different Country and/US State? I know….. Bob flew to Europe, posted 24 letters to himself from several locations and then flew back in time for them to be delivered?

I realy am trying not to be sarcastic and I don’t mean it in any way disrespectful to members but I just think that the notion is completely absurd that before many will believe Loomis is not running onto tv shows to lie for serial killers, and before we will accept the evidence and claims Bob makes as true, we need to see a deceased man’s passport because we now deem a deceased man not owning a passport a decade on from his death as highly suspicious! I mean if you accept or believe that Gaik is and Was Zodiac than you have to believe the following:

Bob Loomis is a sick and twisted man who knows very well he’s lying and is covering for his long dead friend who he knows or suspects of being a serial killer.
Bob’s seems so determined to protect a dead serial killer that he has created and sent himself letter after letter which he claims were sent by Gaik.
Bob is simply lying on camera which is now documented when he states that when the Lake Herman murders were committed, Richard was "Back East in Albany." Of course, many will suggest Richard was running back and fourth between staes and then even Continents to give himself an an alibi because Richard hasn’t thought to just get Bob to say he was with him instead of spending thousand’s of Dollars on flights all over the place for an alibi.

I mean Ken Narlow looked into B.B’s claims a long time before mystery quest did, and Ken’s conclusion was B.B is a not credible and prone to telling stories.

Unfortunately for Richard thought, GYKE appears in a cipher and certain people promote this as evidence that you could convict with when in reality is is nothing to do with GAIK, is total coincidence and nothing more. I can get you Zodiac’s 408 now for you and show you "KANE." "RICK" "DON" BETTYE and on and on. Do all of these people appear for the same reason that GYKE (which is a spelling he never anyway) does as well? Yes! GYKE, A random sequence of four letters that isn’t even consistent with how his name was spelled, appear’s for the same reason as the KANE, RICK etc appear…..Random coincidence generated by random chance.

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Posted : August 20, 2013 9:21 pm
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Proof that it was Uncle Bubba:

http://zodiackillerciphers.com/word-search-gadget/index.html?w=bubba&s=0&c=0&g=4&j=3

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : August 20, 2013 11:38 pm
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Chappie I do not believe that we have the envelopes for the letters that Gaik sent to Bob Loomis, at least not the ones for the critical times. If you know where these envelopes are posted, please provide a link, I’d like to see them.

www.santarosahitchhikermurders.com

 
Posted : August 21, 2013 12:04 am
Welsh Chappie
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As in Hoe-Tep? Now if Bubba Ho-Tep was responsible this would be highly impressive. Brilliant film by Don Costarelli that follow two men in an elderly ‘care home’, one who is adamant he’s Elvis, the other claims to be JFK despite being Black claiming that "They (Secret Service agents) dyed me this colour after the assassination. That’s how clever these people are!" The King has a ‘wart’ and ‘JFK’ will answer no-one unless they address him as "Mr President."

Trying to envisage the two being Zodiac and Bubba ‘The King’ Ho-tep is very amusing :-)

"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.

 
Posted : August 21, 2013 12:12 am
Welsh Chappie
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Chappie I do not believe that we have the envelopes for the letters that Gaik sent to Bob Loomis, at least not the ones for the critical times. If you know where these envelopes are posted, please provide a link, I’d like to see them.

They do. They have been tested for DNA and came back with both a male DNA profile and also a female DNA profile trace. This was assumed to be Bob and his wife’s DNA because they had handled Gaik’s letters many time’s obviously.

"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.

 
Posted : August 21, 2013 12:14 am
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Yes, they did test some envelopes but I do not believe these were the envelopes that would have been postmarked at the time that Loomis claimed he received letter(s) from Gaik that would have put Gaik in Ireland at the time of LHR. Seems to me that Loomis said he lost the envelopes to the letters from Gaik that he wrote while in Ireland. I could be mis-remembering which is why I asked for a link.

www.santarosahitchhikermurders.com

 
Posted : August 21, 2013 12:19 am
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Trying to envisage the two being Zodiac and Bubba ‘The King’ Ho-tep is very amusing :-)

Prior art: http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=675

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : August 21, 2013 12:32 am
Welsh Chappie
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And it is completely obvious that ‘GYKE’ is there not by design necessarily, but out of necessity. The author is constructing a Cipher, and this Cipher must have a Key for which it is subject to for both encryption and deciphering purposes. So, once the Key to the Cipher had been established, it’s now not within the authors complete control to decide what Symbolic letter or shape he is going to use in this next line because he has to follow the key and if GYKE is the masking encrypted cipher text for the real letters of A U S & E then the author, if he wants to write the word BECAUSE in the encrypted coded text, he has to use the GYKE symbolic letters because they are representative of the AUSE according to the key the Cipher is using to encrypt it’s message.

"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.

 
Posted : August 21, 2013 12:37 am
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