the information excluded Sullivan as a Zodiac suspect.

As well as the Bates killer, according to the librarians in Riverside.

I have a report with his name, that’s how I knew he existed. It was handwritten along with another name and some notes. Don’t know who wrote it, though.

How about you upload this and we try and figure out who wrote it?

As civilians I don’t think any of us should feel entitled to see any documents about this case and incidentally none of us have much hope in securing much more. It is a privilege. I think it is quite astounding how much we do have – thanks Tom!

As civilians I don’t think any of us should feel entitled to see any documents about this case and incidentally none of us have much hope in securing much more. It is a privilege. I think it is quite astounding how much we do have – thanks Tom!

As civilians I don’t think any of us should feel entitled to see any documents about this case and incidentally none of us have much hope in securing much more. It is a privilege. I think it is quite astounding how much we do have – thanks Tom!

Even though there are countless sites on the web, and countless published police reports from the Z case, we are now all "civilians" and shouldn’t see any documents. Lets just blindly clear any and every suspect.

This claim about Ross being locked up on the LB date is bogus, and we will never see anything to back it up because it is fabricated. Simple as that.

This claim about Ross being locked up on the LB date is bogus, and we will never see anything to back it up because it is fabricated. Simple as that.

I’m not lying and I doubt Lonergan was, either.

As civilians I don’t think any of us should feel entitled to see any documents about this case and incidentally none of us have much hope in securing much more. It is a privilege. I think it is quite astounding how much we do have – thanks Tom!

Even though there are countless sites on the web, and countless published police reports from the Z case, we are now all "civilians" and shouldn’t see any documents. Lets just blindly clear any and every suspect.

This claim about Ross being locked up on the LB date is bogus, and we will never see anything to back it up because it is fabricated. Simple as that.

Police "clear" suspects. All we do is read ponder and pontificate.

extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. bullshit requires no proof.

What’s everyone’s thoughts on Tom Voigt’s recent claim regarding alleged statements made by undersherif Dick Lonergran (they’re just making these names up ). No no, I’m sure Lonergran is a real person, just another funny name. And I’ll also say that my inclination is to believe Tom. But I’ve been doing some soil compaction test of my own and after jumping up and down on this claim something just don’t add up.

Here it is:

I first learned of Ross back in 1998. Retired Zodiac detective Ken Narlow got me into the Napa County Sheriff’s Department for a meeting with Dick Lonergan, the acting undersheriff who was also Narlow’s partner for the original Lake Berryessa investigation. I had an extensive discussion with Lonergan, who told me Ross had been quickly ruled out as the Berryessa killer of Cecelia Sheperd. If memory serves, it turned out Ross was in a mental facility on Sept. 27, 1969.

And of course, the Riverside police apparently ruled him out as the Bates killer, or at least that’s what the police told the suspicious librarians.

I just see one obvious problem here, I thought Avery didn’t find the Riverside connection until circa ’71? So it would seem odd that anyone associated with Riverside would be "quickly" ruled out of the Berryessa attack. Certainly once the connection had been made it’s entirely possible the first thing all the departments did was go through the Riverside suspects, but I didn’t know that Ross was a very serious Riverside suspect.

Anyway the claims are plausible, and Tom can only report what he recalls being told. The timing though, I mean this recollection seems to have taken a while to surface, I don’t like those kinds of sudden revelations.

Thoughts anyone?

I would ask, why didn’t he tell us about Ross having an alibi 2 or 3 years ago when we first started re-hashing Ross as a suspect>??? Looks kind of odd to happen out of the blue years later

"I would ask, why didn’t he tell us about Ross having an alibi 2 or 3 years ago when we first started re-hashing Ross as a suspect>??? Looks kind of odd to happen out of the blue years later"

I knew he had been ruled out, and am pretty sure I posted that he had been ruled out. But I didn’t remember specifics until late last year when I went over all of my stuff from 1998 preparing for my first Murder Basement podcast. It’s free on YouTube and is all about 1998.

Howard Davis probably has a copy of the report with Sullivan’s name written on it.

"I would ask, why didn’t he tell us about Ross having an alibi 2 or 3 years ago when we first started re-hashing Ross as a suspect>??? Looks kind of odd to happen out of the blue years later"

I knew he had been ruled out, and am pretty sure I posted that he had been ruled out. But I didn’t remember specifics until late last year when I went over all of my stuff from 1998 preparing for my first Murder Basement podcast. It’s free on YouTube and is all about 1998.

Howard Davis probably has a copy of the report with Sullivan’s name written on it.

I searched your site and didn’t see a post about it which is why I was curious. I have a pretty good amount of Napa files & reports and there is no mention of Ross Sullivan in any of them. I do know in Feb, 2014 you posted some of these comments about Ross.

"His height and weight are of interest to me now. Maybe someone can snag DMV records"

"He was older than I thought"

You did mention this:

"I believe the Napa County SD also looked at Ross"

But you didn’t elaborate. Anyhow, not that I don’t believe you, but I believe documented material more than memory.

I’m sure I posted more than just that about Ross being eliminated. Now I’m curious. I’ll search tomorrow.

Morf, I know you were in touch with Ken Narlow, didn’t you ever ask him about Ross? He would have remembered that Ross got looked at, I would think.

I remember vividly Lonergan’s reaction when I mentioned Ross, he stood up shaking his head and immediately began tucking the back of his shirt in. I remember that detail because a boss of mine used to do the exact same thing when he would stand up from his desk.

"I would ask, why didn’t he tell us about Ross having an alibi 2 or 3 years ago when we first started re-hashing Ross as a suspect>??? Looks kind of odd to happen out of the blue years later"

I knew he had been ruled out, and am pretty sure I posted that he had been ruled out. But I didn’t remember specifics until late last year when I went over all of my stuff from 1998 preparing for my first Murder Basement podcast. It’s free on YouTube and is all about 1998.

Howard Davis probably has a copy of the report with Sullivan’s name written on it.

I searched your site and didn’t see a post about it which is why I was curious. I have a pretty good amount of Napa files & reports and there is no mention of Ross Sullivan in any of them. I do know in Feb, 2014 you posted some of these comments about Ross.

"His height and weight are of interest to me now. Maybe someone can snag DMV records"

"He was older than I thought"

You did mention this:

"I believe the Napa County SD also looked at Ross"

But you didn’t elaborate. Anyhow, not that I don’t believe you, but I believe documented material more than memory.

This is what Tom wrote a year ago on this very site:
viewtopic.php?f=106&t=3652&start=300

Mar 23, 2019:

I have a report with his name, that’s how I knew he existed. It was handwritten along with another name and some notes. Don’t know who wrote it, though.

Mar 27:

Howard Davis probably has a copy of the report with Sullivan’s name written on it.

Do you have this report or not?

Howard has written many posts about Ross, all relate to Riverside, nothing about NapaCSD ever looking into him.
If the claim was that Riverside PD said Ross was in a mental facility for the CJB murder, that would be more realistic.

This claim about Ross being locked up on the LB date is bogus, and we will never see anything to back it up because it is fabricated. Simple as that.

Just because you don’t want the info to be true, doesn’t make bogus.

The goal should be finding the killer, not waving the banner of a favored suspect.