How about what Fouke had to say?? He saw him up close & personal, and was very specific about the widow’s peak hairline(although, height & age do not match Ross necessarily )

Fouke sure took his time in giving his description. What was it, a month or so later after the teens description and artist renderring were presented. Fouke said the man he saw looked similar. Not very convincing. Also, there is no actual certainty that the man Zelms and Foukes saw was the killer of Stine.

Lets all just dance around any evidence and ignore all common sense.

Since this thread is about the interview,

Lets all just dance around any evidence and ignore all common sense.

What evidence?

Since this thread is about the interview,

You’re right, my fault, I got off track.

How about what Fouke had to say?? He saw him up close & personal, and was very specific about the widow’s peak hairline(although, height & age do not match Ross necessarily )

Fouke sure took his time in giving his description. What was it, a month or so later after the teens description and artist renderring were presented. Fouke said the man he saw looked similar. Not very convincing. Also, there is no actual certainty that the man Zelms and Foukes saw was the killer of Stine.

The Guy Fouke saw was most likely Zodiac, he was wearing the same clothes as described by the kids, matched their description, and was heading from their corner. But like somebody just said, this is the Interview thread

Morf,

I was wondering, if Allen was at all familiar or ever followed the Zodiac case?

If not, it would be interesting if he watched the 2007 movie or at least read some of the letters. Something might jump out at him that would remind him of Ross.

Zodiac was a little crazy. Whatever mental defect he had, it was offset by his brazen audacity. Always look for the angle in any situation. He shoots a cabbie and walks up the street and the cops pull up next to him minutes later. He didn’t make a run for it. Who has the nerve to do that? What I truly believe is, he planned on shooting the cops if they got out of that cruiser. There is no reason he would just just duck into a driveway and stop. He must have realized he could be caught right there. He couldn’t conceal himself fast enough, but he tried to take cover in case he had to shoot it out with the cops. This guy knew what he was doing very well, I think. His whole point of being, was to be able to taunt the authorities. So many seriel killers rape, torture, and mutilate their victims. Sometimes they cannibalize the dead bodies. Zodiac did none of these things to any of these victims. He was just plain mean. I think he had an axe to grind with society. He may have felt he was disenfranchised from the main stream. These particulars are the reason the Zodiac is his own animal. He dosent fit any typical seriel killer patterns because he just seemed to want to do bad things to teach somebody a lesson, in his own deranged mind

Lets all just dance around any evidence and ignore all common sense.

Since this thread is about the interview,

That’s what people said about Allen and many other suspects too. By saying some are ignoring common sense makes it sound like we are too ignorant to see it. I know you are excited about Ross, but let’s not go the route of saying those who are offering a different point of view are ignoring common sense. Some get blinded and defensive when they are hot on a POI. I think it is very important to consider other reasons as to why some one might NOT be Zodiac, instead of all the reasons they are. Go back to before Ross and who was interesting then…and who will be the next guy who comes up?

It’s good people are still looking and morf is doing a fine job of gathering information. I look forward to hearing more about this interview.

Lets all just dance around any evidence and ignore all common sense.

Since this thread is about the interview,

That’s what people said about Allen and many other suspects too. By saying some are ignoring common sense makes it sound like we are too ignorant to see it. I know you are excited about Ross, but let’s not go the route of saying those who are offering a different point of view are ignoring common sense. Some get blinded and defensive when they are hot on a POI. I think it is very important to consider other reasons as to why some one might NOT be Zodiac, instead of all the reasons they are. Go back to before Ross and who was interesting then…and who will be the next guy who comes up?

It’s good people are still looking and morf is doing a fine job of gathering information. I look forward to hearing more about this interview.

To be fair, I was referring to the police sketch, not Ross.
Four people saw a man in the immediate area of the Stine murder. In fact one of the teenagers ran downstairs to the street level window and got a very good look at Z. Fouke also saw a man that looked similar to the description the teens provided.

So the evidence would suggest that Zodiac probably looked like the description, heavy, crew cut, glasses.

Fouke sure took his time in giving his description. What was it, a month or so later after the teens description and artist renderring were presented. Fouke said the man he saw looked similar. Not very convincing. Also, there is no actual certainty that the man Zelms and Foukes saw was the killer of Stine.

Common sense tells us that the man Fouke saw was that same as the teenagers.

If we just make up whatever we want to about this case, then Z could have been an old man, black hair, skinny with a goatee. (someone really did try to sell this BS)
This is why we follow the evidence. Might not believe Fouke, but that is what he said. And the reality is, Zodiac probably looked like the sketch.

NOW:

Can I ask, did Allen see the Zodiac movie or follow the case way back when? Probably not…

My apologies…I think we all got off track with the conversation and I was assuming it was Ross you were referring to.

fouke posted his description a month after the stine killing, and had plenty of time to read tons about the case, including the description made by the boys. i’m not saying he consciously did anything wrong, but he certainly could have been unwittingly influenced by the sketch in trying to remember something from days or weeks earlier.

I’ve argued before that it’s possible Fouke’s quite detailed description may have been based on notes he took on the night. Cops are trained to take notes – and this was a serious crime even before it became known Z was involved.

I’m also of the opinion that the time frame makes it very unlikely that Fouke’s man and Stine’s murderer was not one and the same – as does the fact that "NN = Not Z" has never been identified.

Anyway, the sketch is what it is – my take on it is that it should be treated like a general representation of what the man looked like, not an actual image of his face.

I wouldn’t rule out that Z looked something like that sketch. But there are details in it which are very unlikely, not to say anatomically impossible, and which obviously do not represent what the teens actually saw. My guess is that the witnesses caught a general impression of what he looked like but not such details as the infamous "laze eye" and whatnot – which is not bad, by the way: If the sketch reflects this general impression, then we do know roughly what he looked like.

Another thing to consider is Z’s own comments. These arguably indicate that he did look like the sketch. If he did not, then why give away a potential edge by outlining his game? Was his desire to rub it in and taunt so strong that he couldn’t resist telling everybody about his clever "descise", even though it would clearly be tactically wiser to just let them go on looking for Mr Crew Cut n’ Glasses? I don’t quite buy that myself. I think the most logical explanation for his remark is that he was a bit rattled, having been observed by those teens.

Zelms gave merit to the sketch. According to his wife he carried a copy with him and regretted not apprehending him. I tend to side with an officer that was there minutes after the actual crime as to the validity of the sketch. Besides Mr. X I don’t believe they encountered another man in such a tight timeframe. With the facts the probability is high this is what the Zodiac looked like.

If you want to take the word of a serial killer, you can go so far as to say that Z verified the sketch himself when he stated, "I look like the description passed out only when I do my thing, the rest of the time I look entirle different."

If you want to take the word of a serial killer, you can go so far as to say that Z verified the sketch himself when he stated, "I look like the description passed out only when I do my thing, the rest of the time I look entirle different."

Something somebody would say to make police think he didnt look like that.(even though he did)

Also, regarding Fouke, he was very sure about the detail of Zodiac’s hairline, he went into great detail, and said Zodiac had a specific widow’s peak hairline. The sketch is based on both Fouke’s, and the Kid’s description of Zodiac. They changed and adjusted it until it looked right in their minds, and for better or worse, it looks exactly like Ross. People have argued, it wasn’t fat enough, very well then, make it fatter, and it would still look like a fatter version of Ross. There simply is no way around it, for better or worse, that sketch looks identical to Ross, and anybody that would challenge that, is in denial.

Now,it’s important to point out that while the sketch and hairline on the sketch both look like Ross, Fouke’s accounting of height and age is off from Ross. Still, if Sherwood was right, how many guys that once spent time in the RCC library, looked exactly like the sketch? My guess is, not many.

If you want to take the word of a serial killer, you can go so far as to say that Z verified the sketch himself when he stated, "I look like the description passed out only when I do my thing, the rest of the time I look entirle different."

Something somebody would say to make police think he didnt look like that.(even though he did)

Also, regarding Fouke, he was very sure about the detail of Zodiac’s hairline, he went into great detail, and said Zodiac had a specific widow’s peak hairline. The sketch is based on both Fouke’s, and the Kid’s description of Zodiac. They changed and adjusted it until it looked right in their minds, and for better or worse, it looks exactly like Ross. People have argued, it wasn’t fat enough, very well then, make it fatter, and it would still look like a fatter version of Ross. There simply is no way around it, for better or worse, that sketch looks identical to Ross, and anybody that would challenge that, is in denial.

Now,it’s important to point out that while the sketch and hairline on the sketch both look like Ross, Fouke’s accounting of height and age is off from Ross. Still, if Sherwood was right, how many guys that once spent time in the RCC library, looked exactly like the sketch? My guess is, not many.

Fouke also said Larry Kane looked like the composite, who IMO doesn’t look anything like Ross or the composite imo. Fouke sometimes makes me go