Morf, I am not nitpicking when I say that the photos of Ross are not contemporaneous with the sketches. That’s as much a fact as anything else here, is it not? And a man who was known to be much heavier later in life may not be a dead ringer for a sketch of someone who, as you said, didn’t pose for it and was only seen briefly at night, especially given that the photo the sketch is being compared to is years older than the source material.

I’m not denying that Ross resembles the sketch; I’m just saying you wouldn’t have to look very hard to find someone of that era — particularly in their 30s — who did, and that just because an older photo of him looks like a sketch, which was quite literally a stab in the dark in the first place, it doesn’t prove anything. Not sure how that’s trolling. It’s realism, perhaps, but nobody ever solved anything by believing everything.

Finally, I haven’t been on Facebook since May 2011. So, whoever you’re talking to there, it isn’t me. I just refuse to be convinced by a string of tenuous and forced connections that someone with serious mental problems and an eventual ward of the state murdered five people, taunted the authorities about it, and got away with it.

To your point above, get back to me when you find one that resembles the sketch that can be placed in the RCC library….I’ll be waiting a long time, because you CAN’T. And nobody else has been able to in the last 50 years. You can’t use the argument that "a lot of guys looked like the sketch", because a lot of guys were not in the RCC library where Zodiac’s writing was linked. So let’s look at everybody on the list that looks like the sketch and was in that library. First and only name on that list is Ross Sullivan.

To your Facebook comment above, okay…if you say so

Again, you’re conveniently allowing for someone to look like a sketch drawn in 1969 based on a photo from (I believe) 1959. That’s the date I found on this site that corresponds with the photo at the beginning of our thread. So that’s a decade. I can assure you I looked vastly different at 28 compared to 18. So whether or not that photo looks more like a sketch than, say, ALA still has to make a 10-year jump for that to be the case.

Just going through the 1966 RCC yearbook, here’s a list of guys who fit the characteristics and likely had occasion to visit the library:

Bill Tichenor
Dave Knutson
Charles Rose
Don Williams, Bob Pieice, Bob Millard (all in a row in the same photo)
Dave Fitzloff
Bill Bailey
Maybe Bob Hayes (gasp — ‘rh’), but he’s got most of his face covered

Now, that’s just guys with widow’s peaks and glasses in the pictures. We don’t have the ’67 yearbook, which might be helpful. Or it might not; college libraries are (and definitely were then) generally open to the public, whether they’re students or not. So it doesn’t have to be just someone with a headshot in a yearbook who scrawled on a desk. Could be Zodiac heard about the crime, he was close to the murder location, the thought of it exhilarated him, so he went to the scene and got poetic. And maybe Ross killed Cheri. And maybe, and maybe, and maybe…

I’m really not trying to be antagonistic here; I’m just trying to debate the merits.

Again, you’re conveniently allowing for someone to look like a sketch drawn in 1969 based on a photo from (I believe) 1959. That’s the date I found on this site that corresponds with the photo at the beginning of our thread. So that’s a decade. I can assure you I looked vastly different at 28 compared to 18. So whether or not that photo looks more like a sketch than, say, ALA still has to make a 10-year jump for that to be the case.

Just going through the 1966 RCC yearbook, here’s a list of guys who fit the characteristics and likely had occasion to visit the library:

Bill Tichenor
Dave Knutson
Charles Rose
Don Williams, Bob Pieice, Bob Millard (all in a row in the same photo)
Dave Fitzloff
Bill Bailey
Maybe Bob Hayes (gasp — ‘rh’), but he’s got most of his face covered

Now, that’s just guys with widow’s peaks and glasses in the pictures. We don’t have the ’67 yearbook, which might be helpful. Or it might not; college libraries are (and definitely were then) generally open to the public, whether they’re students or not. So it doesn’t have to be just someone with a headshot in a yearbook who scrawled on a desk. Could be Zodiac heard about the crime, he was close to the murder location, the thought of it exhilarated him, so he went to the scene and got poetic. And maybe Ross killed Cheri. And maybe, and maybe, and maybe…

I’m really not trying to be antagonistic here; I’m just trying to debate the merits.

You’ve made your points, now move on from this thread.

Again, you’re conveniently allowing for someone to look like a sketch drawn in 1969 based on a photo from (I believe) 1959. That’s the date I found on this site that corresponds with the photo at the beginning of our thread. So that’s a decade. I can assure you I looked vastly different at 28 compared to 18. So whether or not that photo looks more like a sketch than, say, ALA still has to make a 10-year jump for that to be the case.

Just going through the 1966 RCC yearbook, here’s a list of guys who fit the characteristics and likely had occasion to visit the library:
…..

Great, now how many were seen around the library the night of the murder?
…and of those, how many went on to have a criminal record?
…and of those, had mental illness?
…and of those, were in the SF area during the Z crimes?

Could you find one outside of Ross?

Electromatic’s got some valid points… but with Ross (who I actually don’t believe is the Zodiac either) We do have him in the library, the sketch kinda looks like Zodiac.(so did many many people with those damn glasses in the 60’s) he apparently was in SF later, he had mental illness… but then also the last name Sullivan. with all the Gilbert and Sullivan clues from Zodiac… All that together makes Ross an excellent suspect.

The Sketch is actually the least impressive of the evidence linking him IMO.

Electromatic’s got some valid points… but with Ross (who I actually don’t believe is the Zodiac either) We do have him in the library, the sketch kinda looks like Zodiac.(so did many many people with those damn glasses in the 60’s) he apparently was in SF later, he had mental illness… but then also the last name Sullivan. with all the Gilbert and Sullivan clues from Zodiac… All that together makes Ross an excellent suspect.

The Sketch is actually the least impressive of the evidence linking him IMO.

And all we want to do is properly rule him out via DNA, so we can move on. If he is Z, great, if not, no worries. We don’t want people simply dismissing him. Any suspect linked to the RCC library should be checked out, plain and simple.

I have a question. Maybe this has been asked before. If so, I apologize for asking again, but if Ross was arrested in Santa Cruz for bizarre behavior in 1969 wouldn’t there be a police photo? If he was booked into jail, he would have been photographed.

I have a question. Maybe this has been asked before. If so, I apologize for asking again, but if Ross was arrested in Santa Cruz for bizarre behavior in 1969 wouldn’t there be a police photo? If he was booked into jail, he would have been photographed.

If there’s a mug shot of Ross no one has been able to get their hands on it so far.

I have a question. Maybe this has been asked before. If so, I apologize for asking again, but if Ross was arrested in Santa Cruz for bizarre behavior in 1969 wouldn’t there be a police photo? If he was booked into jail, he would have been photographed.

If there’s a mug shot of Ross no one has been able to get their hands on it so far.

I hoped that they would have found one circa 1969 in Dave Peterson’s files

That would be great. There are a few suspects who we have photos of from 5-10 years before or after 1969 and I’d love to see what they looked like at the exact time of the murders. Gaik’s another.

I have a question. Maybe this has been asked before. If so, I apologize for asking again, but if Ross was arrested in Santa Cruz for bizarre behavior in 1969 wouldn’t there be a police photo? If he was booked into jail, he would have been photographed.

If there’s a mug shot of Ross no one has been able to get their hands on it so far.

Well, this History channel show looks like it’s going to concentrate on Sullivan, so maybe they can turn up a mug shot from that time. I think both of those guys are ex-cops, so they would probably have better luck getting someone at that PD to find the file. Anyone know if there has ever been an attempt to view any records from Sullivan’s arrest?

Until now I have been leaning toward Kane, with that said I was always troubled by his lack of resemblance to the sketch. But Ross. Wow! Yes, those glasses were common then but he’s the first one who really looks like the sketch. I’m not sure how it can be denied. I think some are some being naysayers just to be a naysayer. The resemblance is almost shocking. I’m not saying he’s the Zodiac but he’s got my head turning.

Until now I have been leaning toward Kane, with that said I was always troubled by his lack of resemblance to the sketch. But Ross. Wow! Yes, those glasses were common then but he’s the first one who really looks like the sketch. I’m not sure how it can be denied. I think some are some being naysayers just to be a naysayer. The resemblance is almost shocking. I’m not saying he’s the Zodiac but he’s got my head turning.

Well, he certainly looks like the sketch. And he was in the RCC library, so he has that going for him

it’s him.

The "lesser known sketch" had nothing to do with the actual Zodiac case.