Whoops..double post..my bad

If Ross wasn’t Z, so be it, we just need to find another twin of his, with the same hairline as Ross and the sketch, that was in the same RCC library as Ross, and then wound up migrating north after the last Bates letters like Ross did, one that had mental illness, etc, I’m sure there were a dozen people that fit that bill

A post like this though, makes it sound like you have made up your mind and think anyone who doesn’t see this is foolish. ??

Could be Ross is the only one that fits that bill. But ultimately, we don’t know if that is Zodiac’s bill.

Not at all,I am saying since he is identical to the sketch and can be placed in the RCC Library where Z’s writing was found,, he deserves a little more attention then "he’s too tall" or "he’s too fat". I said it before, and I’ll say it again, as the only Suspect proven to be in said library,that carries some weight(no pun intended) . Not a single other publicly named Z suspect EVER, has been placed in that Library. If Zodiac looked like the sketch of himself, and if that writing in the library is his, then we simply are looking for somebody that looks like Ross,and was in that library. I think that’s a pretty short list most likely

Anyone can google "eye witness accounts" and see they are hardly reliable.

Anyone can google "eye witness accounts" and see they are hardly reliable.

Great, so what evidence would you like to use then? When certain things are repeated, and a pattern can be established, we can start to compose a rough idea of what someone looks like.

Morf, you place a lot of weight in the value of an RCC connection. That value has no weight to others, like myself, which is why I say there isn’t much evidence supporting and too much evidence against Ross.

Anyone can google "eye witness accounts" and see they are hardly reliable.

Great, so what evidence would you like to use then? When certain things are repeated, and a pattern can be established, we can start to compose a rough idea of what someone looks like.

Morf, you place a lot of weight in the value of an RCC connection. That value has no weight to others, like myself, which is why I say there isn’t much evidence supporting and too much evidence against Ross.

Well, I put more weight in a well respected and trained expert like Sherwood Morrill over you, to be blunt. The FBI docs support his findings

Anyone can google "eye witness accounts" and see they are hardly reliable.

Great, so what evidence would you like to use then? When certain things are repeated, and a pattern can be established, we can start to compose a rough idea of what someone looks like.

Morf, you place a lot of weight in the value of an RCC connection. That value has no weight to others, like myself, which is why I say there isn’t much evidence supporting and too much evidence against Ross.

Well, I put more weight in a well respected and trained expert like Sherwood Morrill over you, to be blunt. The FBI docs support his findings

What FBI docs support his findings? Just because a chiropractor has a degree, doesn’t make his field a valid field of medicine, either. Even if you find an FBI doc saying "yeah we believe in marrill" doesn’t mean anything, to be frank. I can find you a ton of studies on the actual effictiveness of graphogorphy, who would you rather believe?

Sorry, but handwriting analysis is crap.

But that wasn’t even my point. Gunya said eye witness accounts are hardly considered evidence to his standards, so I’m asking what IS considered evidence then?

It’s backwards thinking to say eye witness accounts are unreliable but in the same breath say that handwriting analysis, something demonstrably nonsense, can be considered valid.

oddly it sounds like you both mostly agree – ross is a viable suspect but there’s not enough information to show anything more than a circumstantial connection. since he’s dead and his family isn’t cooperating it’s largely going to be impossible to move much further without a surprising find such as a handwritten manifesto, recollections from friends who knew him, or evidence of his whereabouts during the period of the killings.

Well, I put more weight in a well respected and trained expert like Sherwood Morrill over you, to be blunt. The FBI docs support his findings

What FBI docs support his findings? Just because a chiropractor has a degree, doesn’t make his field a valid field of medicine, either. Even if you find an FBI doc saying "yeah we believe in marrill" doesn’t mean anything, to be frank. I can find you a ton of studies on the actual effictiveness of graphogorphy, who would you rather believe?

Sorry, but handwriting analysis is crap.

So you don’t think Z had a possible connection to Riverside? And you want to just keep repeating that position with the proof being "I don’t think there is a connection, because I don’t think there was one." Other than just repeating your position, explain how you came to this position.

There is a bunch of evidence Z was in Riverside. Many Z researchers from many sites at least agree on that. Then there are people who come on and claim there is no connection, but never give a good reason, or present any evidence of why we should ignore the similarities.

So far,in the past few years, the only thing they can come up with is "handwriting analysis is crap."

Read this for reference, and the explain to us why we should just ignore any and all possibilities of a Riverside connection.

http://zodiackillerfacts.com/main/river … mysteries/

What FBI docs support his findings? Just because a chiropractor has a degree, doesn’t make his field a valid field of medicine, either. Even if you find an FBI doc saying "yeah we believe in marrill" doesn’t mean anything, to be frank. I can find you a ton of studies on the actual effictiveness of graphogorphy, who would you rather believe?

Sorry, but handwriting analysis is crap.

So you don’t think Z had a possible connection to Riverside? And you want to just keep repeating that position with the proof being "I don’t think there is a connection, because I don’t think there was one." Other than just repeating your position, explain how you came to this position.

There is a bunch of evidence Z was in Riverside. Many Z researchers from many sites at least agree on that. Then there are people who come on and claim there is no connection, but never give a good reason, or present any evidence of why we should ignore the similarities.

So far,in the past few years, the only thing they can come up with is "handwriting analysis is crap."

Read this for reference, and the explain to us why we should just ignore any and all possibilities of a Riverside connection.

http://zodiackillerfacts.com/main/river … mysteries/

Oh, there IS a connection. The question is, is it a valid one?

What connected Riverside?

Handwriting and verbiage.
Zodiac acknowledging "activity" after it was announced in the paper.

Back to:

1) Did Zodiac kill Cheri Jo?
2) What DID Zodiac write: The Confession Letter, the handwritten letters, the poem. All or some?
3) Did he have nothing to do with any of it–he just wanted the notoriety?

We all see things differently. That is a GOOD thing. There is really no need to get upset with one another for this! Think if everyone was on the same side when it came to some of these guys in prison for crimes they didn’t commit. It would be a terrible injustice! Different points of view are IMPORTANT.

Let’s agree to disagree about some things. Most won’t be convinced to change their mind–either way. Trump/Hillary!! No…I didn’t just go there.

Zodiac was in the Library, probably.

Ross was in the Library, so therefor he must be Zodiac… I don’t think that follows logically.

"Ross was the only Zodiac suspect in the Library" The fact that he was there is the reason why he was a suspect. If he wasn’t there, he wouldn’t be a suspect. So him being there doesn’t give additional weight to him as a suspect. It only gives additional weight because people have framed it as an exclusionary category. ALA was the only suspect at the Lake. So what makes Ross a better suspect? That makes them even.

In order to make him a "better" suspect you need to keep adding more exclusionary items until you get a list of things that only apply to him, while dismissing the things that don’t apply to him or could apply to other suspects. And none of it bolsters the original item.

He looked like the sketch. Except for the people who said he didn’t. It doesn’t matter because that is not exclusive to Ross, so it doesn’t add weight, no pun intended. The exact same thing was argued for ALA who was too fat to be Zodiac.

He was mentally ill. There is no reason to think that Zodiac was, and nothing to suggest that Ross mental illness made him violent. He was described as not being violent. He might have been violent, but there is no correlation to his mental illness or to Zodiacs, if he was. That is totally worthless as evidence.

Back to the Library. He wasn’t working there on the night Cheri was killed. Because he was the killer or because he wasn’t there at all? Wouldn’t it make more sense if he was there working and saw her and then followed her out after the library closed? Instead we are supposed to believe that he either followed her there, which would make him working there a total coincidence to his being there. Or he was there for some reason on his day off, the people who knew him didn’t see him there, and he just decided to attack Cheri at that moment in the place where he was connected to and most likely to be noticed.

With that scenario in mind, it doesn’t really mean all that much to me to have someone who worked at the Library. Her killer didn’t need to have any connection to the library, save for being there to write the poem at some point. That could be anyone who was connected to RCC. How many of those guys looked like the sketch and were nuts? Who knows? And if you want to imagine a scenario where the killer came back later and wrote the poem, then he doesn’t even need to have any prior connection to RCC.

He moved away like a year later. Yes, he needed to be there to write the anniversary letters. Well, actually not really, he just needed to come back if he left. It would make sense and be a whole lot suspicious if he moved away immediately after the murder. And if he was there on the night of it. The things that people think make him look suspicious are things that are the opposite of what would be suspicious in any other case.

That’s again the same argument that was made for ALA’s timeline. Do I really need to elaborate why it doesn’t mean much to allow months between dates and saying that is a significant connection?

It all boils down to the Librarian thinks he did it because he was creepy. Does that make him a good suspect? That is the same reason why Rick Marshall, ALA, Gyke, and a dozen others were suspects.

Tahoe27, you were right – we kind of hijacked this thread with the library-related discussion. I’ve moved those posts to the library thread here where we can continue that discussion:

http://zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.p … 74a#p49376

Z’s connection to riverside is unknown..nothing out there that can conclusively connect z to that area…x, and ala one can make a case of yea they were more than likely there..tk being there for any reason is a huge stretch..gaik being there is also a problem for the gaik followers…ross was there and thats undeniable…the handwriting angle is interesting but your not going to ever get a conviction with just that

Id like to put to rest once and for all that desktop poem..find some of ross’s poems and just may be we can get a better clue to wether he wrote that desktop poem or not..in my mind he is a strong candidate as the author but there is really no way to be sure of that..cjb brother may remember if ross had ever approached cjb , may be ross was jilted be her and after her death he penned that poem..that still does not make ross her killer let alone the z…..yea the z tie to riverside while it looks possible there just is no way to consider it a fact…still ross is an interesting tird in this whole web of z craziness…

@1Doctor wrote-

"What FBI docs support his findings? Just because a chiropractor has a degree, doesn’t make his field a valid field of medicine, either. Even if you find an FBI doc saying "yeah we believe in marrill" doesn’t mean anything, to be frank. I can find you a ton of studies on the actual effictiveness of graphogorphy, who would you rather believe?

Sorry, but handwriting analysis is crap."

Sorry to disappoint you, but handwriting analysis isn’t crap, it helps convict & clear people in this country every day, do you fact checking before you make a statement like that or rephrase your statement and start it with, "in my opinion". Is a writing opinion as powerful or conclusive as a DNA or print match? Of course not, but it’s one tool in the tool shed,and authorities & courts use it every day.

As far as "what FBI docs support his findings?" this one supports Morrill’s findings- I circled it for you, the FBI clearly states that one writer could have prepared all of the docs

Zodiac was in the Library, probably.

Ross was in the Library, so therefor he must be Zodiac… I don’t think that follows logically.

Has Anybody said this???? I think we are saying, he should be looked at to make sure he was properly ruled out. Anybody that was in the RCC library that closely resembled the Z sketch should be looked at. Problem is, Ross is the only one so far we have found. If you can find others, please, bring their info to us, we will look at them too

I have no argument against the fbi stating 1 writer and morelli’s expertise in the handwriting analysis..its almost a given the feds and morelli are no slouches when it comes to iterpreting this sort of stuff…yet the z was smarter..well he aint been caught yet…whats bothered me for years is many think the z was a bay area product..when he may be never left his residence in riverside…z may have did his homework on choosing crime scenes..may have stalked the area for a good week or more before he made his move..bastard always did make a clean get away and that includes the stine scene..just some thoughts..