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AK Wilks
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Marcelo (aka Marclean) did an INCREDIBLE comparison of Z and TK handwriting.

This kind of got buried. But he did an amazing job. I would love every Ted K skeptic to look at this comparison. How would you describe the differences, if any, between the way Zodiac writes a "K", "M’, "F", "r", "t" and other letters, and the way Ted K does? What about the spacing and overall presentation? Name the suspect you feel has more handwriting matches.

Marcelo used Kaczynski communications from prison and extracted individual letters to recreate, word for word, the text of the Zodiac communication.

MARCELO: below are links of the letters "matrix" Ted K. of which I "took" the "stuff" to construct the similar letter to Zodiac. (images below mentioned links)
happiness to all.
Marcelo ;)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750×970/documents/0812081unabomber1.gif
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750×970/documents/0812081unabomber2.gif
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750×970/documents/0812081unabomber3.gif

. …………………………………………

AK Wilks: Below: Upper and darker lines are Zodiac, lower and lighter ones are TK.

Aside from that, can you tell which is which? Not only is TK’s handwriting the most similar to Zodiac’s, by far, it is virtually indistinguishable.

Describe what differences, if any, you see in the handwriting of Z and TK…:

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Posted : July 20, 2019 6:50 am
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I don’t understand this. Both letters are identical. Both letters are Zodiac letters. Where is Kaczynski’s letters?

 
Posted : July 20, 2019 4:14 pm
AK Wilks
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I don’t understand this. Both letters are identical. Both letters are Zodiac letters. Where is Kaczynski’s letters?

No.

What Marcelo did is use communications Ted Kaczynski wrote from prison, you can view them at the links provided, and took out individual letters to recreate, word by word, the text of the Zodiac communication.

Read the texts and each one reads the same. But the communication on the right is the original communication written by the hand of Zodiac. The communication on the left recreates the text of the Zodiac communication, but every single letter in it is taken from Kaczynski’s handwriting.

They do indeed look identical!

They are essentially indistinguishable. I defy anyone to look at them and tell me which line is Zodiac and which line is Kaczynski, and what are the significant differences between them that allow you to tell them apart.

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Posted : July 20, 2019 5:22 pm
AK Wilks
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Marcelo did an INCREDIBLE comparison of Z and TK handwriting.

Holmes201 wrote:
I don’t understand this. Both letters are identical. Both letters are Zodiac letters. Where is Kaczynski’s letters?

AK Wilks: No. You misunderstood and/or I did not explain it well enough.

What Marcelo did is use communications Ted Kaczynski wrote from prison, you can view them at the links provided, and took out individual letters to recreate, word by word, the text of the Zodiac communication.

Read the texts and each one reads the same.

But the communication on the right is the original communication written by the hand of Zodiac.

The communication on the left recreates the text of the Zodiac communication, but every single letter in it is taken from Kaczynski’s handwriting.

They do indeed look identical!

They are essentially indistinguishable. I defy anyone to look at them and tell me which line is Zodiac and which line is Kaczynski, and what are the significant differences between them that allow you to tell them apart.

This kind of got buried. But Marcelo did an amazing job. I would love every Ted K skeptic to look at this comparison. How would you describe the differences, if any, between the way Zodiac writes a "K", "M’, "F", "r", "t" and other letters, and the way Ted K does? What about the spacing and overall presentation? Name the suspect you feel has more handwriting matches.

Marcelo used Kaczynski communications from prison and extracted individual letters to recreate, word for word, the text of the Zodiac communication, seen in the image on the left

MARCELO:
below are links of the letters "matrix" Ted K. of which I "took" the "stuff" to construct the similar letter to Zodiac. (images below mentioned links)
happiness to all.
Marcelo ;)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750×970/documents/0812081unabomber1.gif
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750×970/documents/0812081unabomber2.gif
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750×970/documents/0812081unabomber3.gif

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AK Wilks:
Below: Upper and darker lines are Zodiac, lower and lighter ones are TK.

Aside from that, can you tell which is which? Not only is TK’s handwriting the most similar to Zodiac’s, by far, it is virtually indistinguishable.

Describe what differences, if any, you see in the handwriting of Z and TK.:

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Posted : July 21, 2019 1:58 am
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I don’t understand this. Both letters are identical. Both letters are Zodiac letters. Where is Kaczynski’s letters?

This is because the handwritings are identical, so you just proved that they were written by the same person! This is actually funny.

As AK Wilks explains, one is the original letter from Zodiac, the other is made of single letters taken from TK’s correspondence.

I was confused as well the first time I read this in a previous post, it took me a while to understand what was done. I am glad AK Wilks explained it better, I think most people are missing the significance of this finding because they don’t understand what Marcelo did.

 
Posted : July 21, 2019 2:53 pm
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The writing is identical. The letter "Y" is so exact that there is no chance another hand wrote it but Kaczynski.

 
Posted : July 22, 2019 8:28 am
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I just saw this as I was laying down after swimming all afternoon today at the beach.It hit 98 degrees today in Rhode Island. They had Great White sharks jumping out of the water in Orleans at the Cape yesterday. It was on the news because somebody filmed the lady reeling in her fish and a Great White shark jumps right out of the water and steals her fish. I still swim in Narragansett Bay and at Block Island. I swam at Block Island last year even while there were Great Whites over here I just bought a Vineyard Vines swimming trunks. They are Discovery Shark Week exclusive Digital Hammerhead Shark camo. With this swimming suit on I am invisible to sharks I would assume.

 
Posted : July 22, 2019 8:42 am
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I just saw this as I was laying down after swimming all afternoon today at the beach.It hit 98 degrees today in Rhode Island. They had Great White sharks jumping out of the water in Orleans at the Cape yesterday. It was on the news because somebody filmed the lady reeling in her fish and a Great White shark jumps right out of the water and steals her fish. I still swim in Narragansett Bay and at Block Island. I swam at Block Island last year even while there were Great Whites over here I just bought a Vineyard Vines swimming trunks. They are Discovery Shark Week exclusive Digital Hammerhead Shark camo. With this swimming suit on I am invisible to sharks I would assume.

Your most relevant post ever.

 
Posted : July 22, 2019 9:01 am
Quicktrader
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Hope the sharks do think the same (invisible)…or they freaked out just because they figured out you actually were invisible, although still being there, thus jumped out of the water.

QT
(no, I will not ask Tom if he can swim….#bitingmylips)

Nice vid btw
http://zodiackiller.com/Newscenter.html

*ZODIACHRONOLOGY*

 
Posted : July 22, 2019 1:09 pm
AK Wilks
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The writing is identical. The letter "Y" is so exact that there is no chance another hand wrote it but Kaczynski.

I agree. I think that is true for several letters, including the three stroke "K" ‘s, the very rare five stroke "M" ‘s, candy cane "F" ‘s, checkmark "r" ‘s and many others. Margie noticed the backwards "Y" in the Zodiac 340 looks very much like a backwards "Y" of Ted’s in his Unabomber code. The "B" ‘s also look similar.

Inset: Kaczynski Unabomber Code Reversed. Larger Picture: Zodiac 340 Code

I boxed a few that particularly caught my eye.

A blocky style with circles for the dots on the letter "I" is a style that the Bates Killer, Zodiac and Ted Kaczynski sometimes used:



Totally separate issue, but I wanted to look at the sketch and this relatively new to me pic of Ted, with his hair stacked and in more of a widows peak.

Of these two comps, which is the most similar to the sketch?

Of the handwriting comps and letters, what do you think is most compelling?

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Posted : July 23, 2019 12:47 am
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Of these two comps, which is the most similar to the sketch?

Of the handwriting comps and letters, what do you think is most compelling?

Honestly, the handwriting comps are all equally indicting, and compellingly so…I have no idea how anyone could doubt that.
Regarding the pics, the hair is much longer in the first one, and the second’s hair length is more similar to the sketch. The narrow eyes and lips and the high cheek bones are strikingly similar to the sketch. Chin shape is similar too. The sketch is that of a White guy with Eastern European features and it definitely resembles TK.

 
Posted : July 24, 2019 1:29 pm
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The way he dots the (i)s that like a girl is the same in both letters exactly.

 
Posted : July 24, 2019 5:10 pm
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It doesn’t surprise me he dots his (i)s like a girl. He wanted to have a sex change operation I understand. That’s why his writings look so feminine to some degree. He was a little bit fruity arse.

 
Posted : July 24, 2019 5:13 pm
 egg
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Hello,
New here. Not a big contribution, probably pointed out before.
Letter from Ted:

Zodiac:

Ted vs Zodiac: from

Ted vs Zodiac: the

The "the" or "th" in particular is quite interesting, both Ted and the Zodiac tend to write it with a very small t, as if being very carefuly not to make it look like a capital t. This is very recurrent in their writing.

Another letter comparison

Ted/Zodiac

 
Posted : December 21, 2020 11:52 pm
 egg
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Another one

I always saw TK write his 4 with a triangular slant in the top left part of the 4 rather than all straight. The Zodiac letters never have a slant. I always thought the slant was strange, as if it didn’t fit with how I would expect TK to write that number. Well surprised was I when I noticed that on that letter he wrote it two different ways: one with the slant (top left) one without (top right).

In analyzing handwriting, one would seek such inconsistencies which are likely when someone is trying to hide their true handwriting, which are more likely to emerge when not writing sentences, such as dates, immatriculation numbers, signatures, or sometimes even when writing names of people or locations.

Also of note, the recurrent use of underlines by Ted, particularly when writing letters in which he is condescending, in this case quite similar to the “not” in the Buttons letter.

Another inconsistency: 7

I always saw TK write the 7 without a dash in the middle, such as in the letter above this one, just like the Zodiac. Yet here he added one.

The letters are recent. Has TK been trying to change his writing in more recent years? Could be nothing, food for thought.

 
Posted : December 22, 2020 7:47 am
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