Yah, isn’t that the most ridiculous thing you ever heard? Actually, when it comes to this case…probably not.
Cameron starts to look more and more the fool.
Yeah, out of control
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Yes, her blood was found in her car. I’m sure they used a family member to confirm the DNA. In regards to a juvenile being guilty because of the hastily car cover up I’m not sure that’s completely true. Keep in mind that Stevens IQ places him in the range has having Intellectual Disabilty (formally mental retardation) and the family as a whole is very uneducated. Someone may have thought that they wouldn’t notice the car on the large lot of cars or just didn’t know what else to do.
You saying "I’m sure" makes that sound like your assumption instead of confirming what was actually said. I’m just trying to clarify. I’ll take your word for it. I don’t remember what they said. But it doesn’t really matter, I think we agree on the issue.
Steven’s fingerprints were not found in the car. That means he either wore gloves or they were wiped. That was part of the defense’s reasoning for his DNA having been planted in the car. I’m not going to argue that point, but it goes to what I’m saying about behavior patterns.
If she was killed in Steven’s house or garage, than it would have required considerable effort to clean up and cover up the crime. The defense argues an impossible amount of effort. I agree with that, which is why I don’t think she was killed there. But the fact remains that there was an effort made to dispose of the body and we can assume further covering up of evidence.
The point is that shows a level of sophistication that does not match up with the behavior of how the vehicle was treated. Those two things don’t add up, and that is what made me think it was most likely a juvenile or unsophisticated offender and an accomplice. That’s just my opinion.
This is sort of interesting…IF true:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid … =3&theater
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
You saying "I’m sure" makes that sound like your assumption instead of confirming what was actually said. I’m just trying to clarify. I’ll take your word for it. I don’t remember what they said. But it doesn’t really matter, I think we agree on the issue
They didn’t say where they obtained the DNA. I am just assuming it was from a family member. All I know is that they stated it was her blood, confirmed through DNA.
Some interesting points…
http://crimefeed.com/2016/01/5-lingerin … very-case/
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
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I am a subscriber to this organization in my country. A high res pic of the major cities..its low level pics about once every two months sometimes more.. If you get the snap on the right day it can tell you when things like cars are parked in a position.. It’s a great recourse to my company .. You can go back a few years and then forward to current.. I do not have access to U.S. Pics.
You can see a backyard change, pools , holes dug ..or solar panels pop up..It’s a visual way back machine..
My point, your equivalent ? Does anyone have access.. You never know, with a lot of luck might have a snap on the day Terese’s car got parked.
Edit. Not sure how far back it goes..
That DA guy, Ken Kratz, hate his puny little voice and I want to punch him in the dick! What a cocksucker. Sorry for the language… people like him should be taken out behind the barn and put out of their misery. He didn’t care if Avery was innocent or guilty, he cared about winning the case.
A few minutes ago on a toilet not very far, far away….
Another thing I find laughable is the placement of her car.
Avery must have gone to extraordinary lengths to eliminate some of the evidence, yet he parks her car on his property and covers it with some wood strips and scant bushes?
Yeah, even though there is a car crusher right there. If all of the defense’s "facts" are true then Steven Avery is the dumbest person on the planet.
A few minutes ago on a toilet not very far, far away….
If that pissed you off, did you watch the Amanda Knox documentary?
Not having really followed the case much I thought, "she’s probably guilty." After watching that I looked into it and I’m absolutely convinced she had nothing to do with it. It’s less of a miscarriage of justice than the Avery case, but it’s interesting because the people who screwed up badly actually agreed to be on camera and tell their side and make themselves look like total ***holes in their own words.
According to the movie, Italians think that she is guilty and only got away with it because Italy didn’t want to piss off America. I hope that Italians really aren’t that dumb. Most Americans thought she was guilty too, and they wouldn’t have cared either way. Why would the US or Italian governments care? The issue wasn’t even remotely political.
If that pissed you off, did you watch the Amanda Knox documentary?
Not having really followed the case much I thought, "she’s probably guilty." After watching that I looked into it and I’m absolutely convinced she had nothing to do with it. It’s less of a miscarriage of justice than the Avery case, but it’s interesting because the people who screwed up badly actually agreed to be on camera and tell their side and make themselves look like total ***holes in their own words.
According to the movie, Italians think that she is guilty and only got away with it because Italy didn’t want to piss off America. I hope that Italians really aren’t that dumb. Most Americans thought she was guilty too, and they wouldn’t have cared either way. Why would the US or Italian governments care? The issue wasn’t even remotely political.
I haven’t seen that one yet, but been meaning to check it out.
A few minutes ago on a toilet not very far, far away….
Seems like Steven Avery’s nephew Brendan is most likely going to be released. His conviction was overturned, but it’s been bounced around back and forth with appeals from the state and the judges. I would guess that the documentary has helped.
I was just reminded of this case. If there has been any new evidence in the past year I’m not aware of it, so my knowledge is just limited to what was publicly available around the time of the movie.
If you think that Steven Avery is innocent, I would like to hear a scenario of how it would be possible for someone else, IE, the real killer, to have known that Avery was the last person she was seen with? Or did they not know? In other words, do you think that it’s just a coincidence that she was killed after visiting him? Is that more believable than him been the killer? I’m having a hard time with that one.
I was just reminded of this case. If there has been any new evidence in the past year I’m not aware of it, so my knowledge is just limited to what was publicly available around the time of the movie.
If you think that Steven Avery is innocent, I would like to hear a scenario of how it would be possible for someone else, IE, the real killer, to have known that Avery was the last person she was seen with? Or did they not know? In other words, do you think that it’s just a coincidence that she was killed after visiting him? Is that more believable than him been the killer? I’m having a hard time with that one.
This is going back a bit for me and going off memory, but it seems as if a few people knew she was there. That guy who lived on the same property…can’t remember if he was related. Her (ex?) boyfriend may have known…he deleted messages from her phone–if I remember correctly. I thought that was odd. He may have known.
For me, I don’t think someone being the last person to be with another seals the deal as the murderer. It would be a VERY stupid move on his part, as it would seem he would think others would know she was coming to his house. He could be stupid though. 
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Facinating story for sure. I go back and fourth but I remember watching the below interview before he was arrested. I have a hard time believing Avery is sharp enough to pull off this interview if guilty. He obviously isn’t very intelligent but cool as a cucumber given the circumstances.
Steven being the last person to see Teresa doesn’t mean he killed her. It’s not even a fact that he was the last person to see her. But I’m going on the argument that he was framed, so it seems to me whoever would frame him would need to have known the two were together that day.
His family members who were on the property and testified that they saw her certainly knew that. Assuming that the forensic evidence was later planted by police, the evidence that they would have had access to; the car and the body mainly, I would say casts equal suspicion on themselves because that only shows that someone on the Avery property was involved with the murder, not necessarily Steven himself.
A personal associate of hers might know that. That might be the best bet for this scenario. Whether there’s anything else to support that or not, that’s another story.
Then there’s the police. That’s what I have a problem with. If you suppose that they premeditated the murder, either directly or indirectly, they would have had to have spied on him and then taken advantage of this meeting to fulfill the plan of putting Avery away for good. I find that pretty unbelievable and terribly coincidental.
If they had nothing to do with the murder, but were later involved in the frame up by just planting evidence, then that means the killer had nothing to do with the frame and nothing to do with Steven Avery. The guy that they wanted to get rid of just happened to have been seen with a person who happened to get killed right at that time when they needed it most. How could they get so lucky? I think that might be the most improbable out of all circumstances.
