replacablehead, you will need to do a bit of your own research on the ad. As I recall, the ad came to light when someone was looking for handwriting samples of Rick Marshall to compare to the Zodiac letters many years ago. Rick Marshall did have his own silent movie theater in Marin county in the mid 70’s. He was a huge fan and promoter of silent movies. He did work at the Avenue Theater in SF at some point. Check back through this tread for links to the Avenue Theater and to the Niles Film Museum. Reach out to the websites and ask questions about Rick Marshall.

Yeah I hear you. I’m all questions and not much contributions (other than opinions).

When I look back at some of the suspects, I get the feeling that Zodiac did try to frame some of them, including my ex husband. When trying to set up my husband didn’t work, because I was ignorant of the case and the costume that was planted in our car. It seems he went on to set up Art Allen and perhaps planted the bombs found at Allen’s home on Fresno st? The writer claims to have known Allen ,according to the three page letter and had keys to the back gate that lead to Allen’s basement bedroom.

William J Grant became a suspect because of the person driving Grants car and playing road games with CHP officer Lyndon Lafferty. Most of us know that someone like Zodiac would never use his own car to play those games and lead the police to his front door. But he would play them if he had access to Grants car. Not all of these suspects were named publicly, so did Zodiac have inside information from VPD?

Rick Marshall was named on some of the Z message boards and was easily figured out to be who Graysmith went to talk to in the Fincher movie. He was mentioned in Graysmiths yellow Z book as Donald Jeff Andrews on pages 220- 237. By the time the three page letter/ card was sent, the writer would have been able to find Rick Marshalls posters and incorporated the three stars with that line under it. like leaving us bread crumbs to follow. I do not believe that some hoaxer went though all that trouble to write that letter. I believe ‘he" (not she), could very well have been the Zodiac wanting Graysmith to know his suspect Art Allen was not the Zodiac, that the writer of the letter was in fact the Zodiac. Sending it from San Bernardino could have been another clue to being the person who went after Kathleen Johns? Or where he started his killings before northern Ca.? I found a wrestling coach who was from San Bernardino in 1966 ,who’s picture was in the 1966 RCC year book . He moved to Martinez Ca. first name Robert. I got his name from the RCC coach who recognized his picture in the yr book.

When I look back at some of the suspects, I get the feeling that Zodiac did try to frame some of them, including my ex husband. When trying to set up my husband didn’t work, because I was ignorant of the case and the costume that was planted in our car. It seems he went on to set up Art Allen and perhaps planted the bombs found at Allen’s home on Fresno st? The writer claims to have known Allen ,according to the three page letter and had keys to the back gate that lead to Allen’s basement bedroom.

William J Grant became a suspect because of the person driving Grants car and playing road games with CHP officer Lyndon Lafferty. Most of us know that someone like Zodiac would never use his own car to play those games and lead the police to his front door. But he would play them if he had access to Grants car. Not all of these suspects were named publicly, so did Zodiac have inside information from VPD?

Rick Marshall was named on some of the Z message boards and was easily figured out to be who Graysmith went to talk to in the Fincher movie. He was mentioned in Graysmiths yellow Z book as Donald Jeff Andrews on pages 220- 237. By the time the three page letter/ card was sent, the writer would have been able to find Rick Marshalls posters and incorporated the three stars with that line under it. like leaving us bread crumbs to follow. I do not believe that some hoaxer went though all that trouble to write that letter. I believe ‘he" (not she), could very well have been the Zodiac wanting Graysmith to know his suspect Art Allen was not the Zodiac, that the writer of the letter was in fact the Zodiac. Sending it from San Bernardino could have been another clue to being the person who went after Kathleen Johns? Or where he started his killings before northern Ca.? I found a wrestling coach who was from San Bernardino in 1966 ,who’s picture was in the 1966 RCC year book . He moved to Martinez Ca. first name Robert. I got his name from the RCC coach who recognized his picture in the yr book.

They found ALA’s writing on the formula’s and ingredients lists for the bombs. So no chance someone planted them on him.

Quote from zapoleon : They found ALA’s writing on the formula’s and ingredients lists for the bombs. So no chance someone planted them on him.

Could you please give a link to that information? That is the first I heard that.

Zodiac was believed to copy handwriting styles, like Count Marco, Patrica Hautz, Bettye Harden and the exact font on Mel Belli’s address. ( Thanks to Ricardo for noticing that)
Who is to say he didn’t copy Art Allen’s writing style?

To each their own, but we figured out who the actual woman was who wrote this stuff. She tried several times to come back using different screen names. Wouldn’t surprise me if she is here now.

She had some crazy infatuation with Graysmith and left little clues for him to find her here…and at the old site too.

She has managed to become Facebook friends with many Zodiac sleuths. She even posted to Graysmith.

This ain’t Zodiac folks!

I would like to see the proof that all of you put together to figure out who that person was? I thought you felt right away it had to be from Debra Perez?

If I remember correctly ,it was "assumed" to be from a female with in seconds of it being posted.

There is too much information Graysmith could dispute, if what was written to prove where he was and when, wasn’t true.
I do believe that Graysmith was being called at his home and was watched by Zodiac as soon as Zodiac saw Graysmith make his book announcement on "The People are Talking" morning show Jan 7th 1986.

If some female was obsessed with Graysmith, why would she pretend to be Zodiac and send the letter to the SF Chronicle instead of his home? None if that makes any sense to me.
Debra Perez was not smart enough to play connect the dots type of game that Zodiac was good at doing, like the connection to Rick Marshall.
Perez was so stupid she didn’t know Cheri Jo Bates was killed on Oct 30th and not Halloween and that Stines glasses weren’t taken by the killer.

If it is true a female and not Zodiac wrote that letter, she would have to be someone a hell of a lot smarter that DP. People will believe what they want, it’s not up to us to tell them what they should or should not believe.

It was not Perez.

Graysmith certainly new it was garbage and this is most likely why it never went anywhere. She was desperate to reach out to him and ended up doing so through the Chronicle. I reached out to Kevin F. at the Chronicle…he agreed with my assessment.

This wasn’t from Zodiac Sandy.

It was not Perez.

Graysmith certainly new it was garbage and this is most likely why it never went anywhere. She was desperate to reach out to him and ended up doing so through the Chronicle. I reached out to Kevin F. at the Chronicle…he agreed with my assessment.

This wasn’t from Zodiac Sandy.

Tahoe27, I know you well enough to know that once you have your mind made up, you are not going to change it. And that is ok for you and whoever else wants to believe it wasn’t from Zodiac. I happen to believe that it was and util I am shown something to prove otherwise, that is what I will believe.

So far I don’t see any proof, like handwriting samples from this "mystery person" to match the letter writer. In a court of law this is called hearsay and means nothing without a shred of proof.

It’s just not good enough that because you and a few other mods believe you know who the writer was, doesn’t make it a fact that it was written by her and not Zodiac.

Kevin kept the letter because he felt it could be from Zodiac, or it would have been thrown out like many hoax letters. He certainly didn’t tell Zamantha and I he thought it was a hoax.
I just sent him a email asking him if he has changed his mind about that letter and why? We stay in touch with him because he is not only our friend, but a excellent investigative reporter we enjoy talking to. He is bombarded with emails daily, he showed us on his computer the flood of emails he receives , he doesn’t have time to read many of them so a lot go unanswered.

Graysmith didn’t bother to read the letter because his Zodiac suspect "Art Allen"had died, so in his mind it couldn’t be from Zodiac. Graysmith told me that he no longer has an interest in the Zodiac case, he still believes Art Allen was Zodiac. So the case is closed as far as he is concerned. That was the real reason he didn’t bother to read the letter.

I’ve actually changed my mind about several things over the years when it comes to this case. I used to think everything written about it was factual.

We have learned, thanks to many POI’s, that handwriting doesn’t get you very far. Everyone with a suspect thinks their guy is a match for Zodiac’s.

The person who wrote these missives to Graysmith studied Zodiac’s handwriting quite closely. They made it very clear with their posts here and from the old board.

What they shared here at the message board came before the writings were made public. If one couldn’t put two & two together they were from the same person, they probably shouldn’t even be an amateur sleuth. They did it so Graysmith would know who they were on the message board! "Keysmith"?

Kevin did agree the member here was the one who wrote the letters. I have the email.

Discovering who the woman was came later with the help of other members here.

Those who want to believe this was Zodiac writing Graysmith in this day and age have every right to believe whatever you want to. This isn’t just a hunch. She could come right out and say she did it and people would think she was lying. People believe what they want for whatever reason…

Here’s the 2010 envelope cleaned up, but unchanged Sandy.

Thank you sooo much Richard, the one I have as you know was extremely hard to read! Looks like Z writing to me. I think that a copy cat would have written attention instead of "too Editor". Most copycats are unaware of Zodiac’s odd spacing and it is on the envelope.

Of course people who’s suspect died before 2010 aren’t going to believe this could be from Zodiac.

Thanks again, great job cleaning that up!

I put in a search over at Zkiller.com to see if the letter was on some thread there? I used the search at the top of the page and put in The Midnight Owl Halloween card/letter. What came up was a post by Rocky25 on July 2 2018. It was about Robert Graysmith answering questions about Zodiac and the Fincher film. In the article he talks about getting "midnight"phone calls. And about the "Owl" faced man who was seen bothering Darlene. He of course was still pushing Art Allen as Zodiac and mentioned "Halloween".The article was a Washington Post article dated Friday March 9th 2007 at 2:pm

Could Zodiac have read that article waited 3 yrs which is a number he liked for whatever reason? He finds a Halloween card with all of the words that match what Graysmith mentioned and mailed it to him? Or is this just another coincidence? Below is a link to Rocky25’s post.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/zodiack … 80#p130880

Does anyone recognize the stamp? I have seen it , but forgot who is on that stamp?

Does anyone recognize the stamp? I have seen it , but forgot who is on that stamp?

Sandy, I think it is the stamp in the lower right. While it was issued in 2003 it was probably in circulation for much longer,

I found it at this site on page 32 of the pdf.

https://about.usps.com/publications/pub528.pdf