I mean let’s be honest, if don and/or Bettye were responsible for authoring the Ciphers, wouldn’t the way they did it make perfect sense?

Send first Cipher as a trial run that contains complete random rubbish as it’s message to see if any agency, Dpt. or general member of the public solves it. Once you are aware that for several days the FBI, Naval Intelligence and NSA have not been able to crack the code and find it’s key, you then know the cipher construction is ‘Crack-Proof’. So next you send the solution to the papers yourself as a member of the general public so that it is made to seem as though these Ciphers are solvable. Then, satisfied the Ciphers construction is ‘Crack-Proof’ based on your test sample proving to be undecipherable, you create your second one with confidence that this one, like the first, will be crack-proof as you’d be using the same structure and type as the first Cipher and the only thing you change is the Ciphers Key. Then, because you are now confident after the test run, you add a message that really is something that if it could be cracked, would be, as Bettye’s puts it ‘Earth Shaking.’

"it would seem that she meant his solution was the theory and she started the case with her Z408 solution and will end it when she solves the Z340."

That is a very good and reasonable assumption, but it is inconsistent with her "When I write the true ending, it will shake the Earth" comment because if, as you suggest, her saying "I started the Zodiac case" is her way of saying she cracked the first cipher, and that ‘the true ending’ is a reference to, as you say, ‘when she solves the 340’, then how can Bettye add that "It will shake the Earth?" If she hasn’t any idea of what the message contained in the 340 is, how can she assume that it will be Earth Shaking? I mean Bettye knows the first one she and Don deciphered contained a message that was completely useless and of no significant use evidentiary wise at all so why would she, knowing this, make the huge leap from 408’s message being random babbling to the assumption that the 340’s message will be the exact opposite and contain a message and information that is profoundly Earth Shattering?

You phrased it in your comment that she will end it when she solves the 340. That’s where I think there are grounds to say her statement is self incriminating, or highly suspicious at best because she is not speaking as one who is unaware of the end game, or as you say, the Ciphers message, she is speaking as one who already has that knowledge. It’s not ‘If’ Bettye is able to write the end, she tells us it’s when. How can she assume that she will ever be able to solve the 340? And she also has told us that WHEN she does, we will be left stunned by what the answers are, or as you said, the 340’s message and what it says.

The only way she can say what she says and the comments be logical is if she already knows the ending (or what the full message says in the 340) and that’s how she can justify saying it will be "Earth Shaking."

Well said, Welsh Chappie. Bravo!

Thank You Vic it was rather brilliant of me wasn’t it? In fact I think next time I log onto the site everyone should stand. Obviously Applause is optional. (Said with huge grin and tongue firmly placed in cheek)

Here’s how I see Bettye’s comments both in how they are intended to be interpreted and the tone in which they are wrote.

"This is my Story." To me it’s like Bettye is pissed off that Robert has got all this acclaim and media time because for Betty: "Zodiac isn’t Robert’s story, it’s mine and I am not happy he is getting attention and acclaim for it."

"I started the Zodiac case." Now QT earlier said this may be in reference to the solving of the first Cipher and that’s possible. However, for me, wording is key and nowhere does Betty inform us that she started the case by cracking a cipher or anything, she just tells us she started the Zodiac Case itself.

"And I ended it." Come along now Betty nobody knows the end result and the only person or persons that could justify making such a statement is the person/persons responsible. You’re not, are you Bettye?

"The last half of this book is theory" He’s got it all wrong! Bad enough he has the audacity to write my story in the first place, but when he does he gets half wrong because he doesn’t know the real story or details nor who was responsible for hailing a Cab on Geary St on Oct 11. That’ where Robert and I are different!

"When I write the true ending, it will shake the Earth." Again a dig at Robert, as if she has to again point to Robert reaching the wrong conclusions by implying a sort of "When I write the true ending, not one like Robert here who has got it all wrong…" Then she ends almost as if she’s implying that if we actually knew who had been involved in Zodiac’s crimes, the name/s would be absolutely Earth Shaking to this public.

Here’s how I see Bettye’s comments both in how they are intended to be interpreted and the tone in which they are wrote.

"This is my Story." To me it’s like Bettye is pissed off that Robert has got all this acclaim and media time because for Betty: "Zodiac isn’t Robert’s story, it’s mine and I am not happy he is getting attention and acclaim for it."

"I started the Zodiac case." Now QT earlier said this may be in reference to the solving of the first Cipher and that’s possible. However, for me, wording is key and nowhere does Betty inform us that she started the case by cracking a cipher or anything, she just tells us she started the Zodiac Case itself.

"And I ended it." Come along now Betty nobody knows the end result and the only person or persons that could justify making such a statement is the person/persons responsible. You’re not, are you Bettye?

"The last half of this book is theory" He’s got it all wrong! Bad enough he has the audacity to write my story in the first place, but when he does he gets half wrong because he doesn’t know the real story or details nor who was responsible for hailing a Cab on Geary St on Oct 11. That’ where Robert and I are different!

"When I write the true ending, it will shake the Earth." Again a dig at Robert, as if she has to again point to Robert reaching the wrong conclusions by implying a sort of "When I write the true ending, not one like Robert here who has got it all wrong…" Then she ends almost as if she’s implying that if we actually knew who had been involved in Zodiac’s crimes, the name/s would be absolutely Earth Shaking to this public.

Right on. Which came first – The Eureka Card mailed 1990 to the SF Chronicle or this?

If Bettye Harden already knew the ending, whatever that may be, there is no account of her ever revealing what it is to anyone. That to me implies that she did not know it when she presumably wrote that.

I mean let’s be honest, if don and/or Bettye were responsible for authoring the Ciphers, wouldn’t the way they did it make perfect sense?

No, that does not make sense to me. What makes sense is that amateur code enthusiasts solved an amateur code.

Once you are aware that for several days the FBI, Naval Intelligence and NSA have not been able to crack the code and find it’s key, you then know the cipher construction is ‘Crack-Proof’.

You should go back and read what I said about this. As far as I can tell that is the only demonstrated information about these agencies working on the cipher and it refutes the idea that they failed to or even attempted to solve it. I think that should be considered the explanation until some documents are shown that demonstrate otherwise.

Right on. Which came first – The Eureka Card mailed 1990 to the SF Chronicle or this?

The Foreigner said that it was discovered in 2003. That is the earliest date for info that has been revealed about this message.

I guess technically that would make this first since the card wasn’t discovered until 2007.

Then she ends almost as if she’s implying that if we actually knew who had been involved in Zodiac’s crimes, the name/s would be absolutely Earth Shaking to this public.

Funnily enough, Robert Harden has been proposed as a Zodiac suspect before.

Then she ends almost as if she’s implying that if we actually knew who had been involved in Zodiac’s crimes, the name/s would be absolutely Earth Shaking to this public.

Funnily enough, Robert Harden has been proposed as a Zodiac suspect before.

Well, Robert Harden is an "rh" 01. like in the Desktop Poem, 02. ""I let my eyes forget her sin", RH", 03. just so happened to help solve the "unsolvable" cipher, and 04. possibly the "true ending it will shake the earth!" so said Betty Harden. Hmmm.

Sorry to ask but does anybody have any history on Robert Harden?

02. http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop … +sin#p7394

Don Harden is the guy who solved the cipher with his wife Bettye. I don’t know who Rob Harden is.

Don Harden is the guy who solved the cipher with his wife Bettye. I don’t know who Rob Harden is.

I am confusion. I should have known that. Maybe Robert is Don’s brother?

I was in the Nevada County Library last week, and they had one Graysmith Zodiac book on file. I went to check on it…..I had to laugh….It was supposed to returned in May and is now listed as Lost.

What am I saying, lol. I meant Donald. Donald Harden.

Donald Harden has been proposed as a Zodiac suspect before.

As have Robert Haysmith and Ryan Hartnell, if you can believe that. I wouldn’t call them proposals though because that sounds like it warrants serious discussion and/or real work was put into it. More like ‘creatively floated’ as an idea.

(BTW I changed their names to protect the idenities[sic] )

Me fail english? That’s unpossible.

You guys crack me up.