Unfortunately for decades UV light was used to find clues that couldn’t be seen with the naked eye. By the time DNA analysis was on the scene it was clear also that UV light was destroying DNA bonds. That is why it can cause skin cancer. It would explain why only partial DNA strands exist also. My bet is that Zodiac evidence has spent plenty of time under UV light with detectives and forensics looking for signs of anything they can’t see with the naked eye. So what you really need is evidence you know has not been contaminated or if contaminated the contaminating DNA can be ruled out. For example, if the fingerprint from the Stine cab is under tape attached to card you probably have a combination of Paul Stine’s blood and possibly the Zodiac’s DNA in with it from the contact to make the print. Tape retains DNA quite well. If we could exclude Stine’s DNA what remains has a chance of belonging to the person who left the print.
I would do exactly the same thing with the stickers on the Halloween card or whatever he stuck on to modify it.
Apparently there is something held back with the card. So whatever that is also but I suspect that has been given the UV, multiple people handling it, treatment.
www.zodiachalloweencard.com has a 400 paged book for free containing the super solution with an overarching explanation of the cards and more.
Correct me if I’m wrong. I thought they already had the killers DNA. A while back, it was posted that the Hist. ch team found 2 blood drops on CJBs pants that contained male DNA, not shedded DNA, actual blood drops.I was told, in a post, that the results would not be posted unless there was an arrest made in the case. You be the judge
Correct me if I’m wrong. I thought they already had the killers DNA. A while back, it was posted that the Hist. ch team found 2 blood drops on CJBs pants that contained male DNA, not shedded DNA, actual blood drops.I was told, in a post, that the results would not be posted unless there was an arrest made in the case. You be the judge
The killer’s blood was also found at the scene of the Nancy Bennallack murder in Sacramento, another suspected Zodiac case with an extremely similar MO. If they matched it would be exactly like the East Area Rapist and Original Night Stalker cases being tied together across California before the eventual capture of DeAngelo.
Correct me if I’m wrong. I thought they already had the killers DNA. A while back, it was posted that the Hist. ch team found 2 blood drops on CJBs pants that contained male DNA, not shedded DNA, actual blood drops.I was told, in a post, that the results would not be posted unless there was an arrest made in the case. You be the judge
Yes, Tahoe27 said they found non-familial male DNA on the watch and the pants.
She didn’t know if the watch DNA was a match for the pants DNA or if they had a complete DNA profile or not.
The killer’s blood was also found at the scene of the Nancy Bennallack murder in Sacramento, another suspected Zodiac case with an extremely similar MO. If they matched it would be exactly like the East Area Rapist and Original Night Stalker cases being tied together across California before the eventual capture of DeAngelo.
Bennallack was a home invasion type of murder (more like ONS or Richard Ramirez than Zodiac). Why do you think that could be a Zodiac murder?
"Why do you think that could be a Zodiac murder?"
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=3177&p=71492#p71492
Close facial match to suspect described (by three girls) at Lake Berryessa
(my view – most likely witness at Bennallack’s first floor site was ground flat
resident seeing suspect in their enclosed back yard through rear glass/curtain
– light may not have been good, but suspect was probably physically quite close).
TomVoigt has allegedly imitated that a ‘gross’ item received several days later
accompanying the Halloween Card had some link to Bennallack killing (my
view – I seem to remember that the Bennallack autopsy had Bennallack
with a cut down her back, most likely item to be accompanying the card
could be a long very thin dried strip of flesh cut from the back – have to
check that autopsy report again).
EDIT: I further note, however, that this statement by Tom Voigt appears
to contra-indicate any link between the Halloween Card and the Bennallack
murder:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/zodiack … ml#p147035
I seem to remember that some Zodiac letter around this time had some
unusual double letter ‘mistakes’ – that’s weak, but I’ll include the point for
completeness.
Shawn discovered some other matches between the wording on the Halloween
Card Zodiac selected and a rare wording in the newspaper, in the same edition
that reported the Bennallack killing, number ’14’ placed on the card by Zodiac
matches page number of killing report – again, point included for completeness.
viewtopic.php?f=63&t=4994&hilit=spoil#p81537
Another thing with the watch is the paint speckles that are all over it. Today’s technology can analyze the paint to the point of matching it to a particular paint brand, thus a paint store in the area. Also is the color a stock paint color, or a custom made color. Many times as a paint store makes a custom paint color they save the records of that new color’s formula and will often later name it and add it to a fan deck.
Also, was that particular paint a house paint, or a commercial paint? Was it oil based or latex? Was it possibly a paint used at the college as maybe a maintenance man would have from doing some maintenance painting at the school? Was it automotive paint?
That paint can tell you a LOT!!
Another thing with the watch is the paint speckles that are all over it. Today’s technology can analyze the paint to the point of matching it to a particular paint brand, thus a paint store in the area. Also is the color a stock paint color, or a custom made color. Many times as a paint store makes a custom paint color they save the records of that new color’s formula and will often later name it and add it to a fan deck.
Also, was that particular paint a house paint, or a commercial paint? Was it oil based or latex? Was it possibly a paint used at the college as maybe a maintenance man would have from doing some maintenance painting at the school? Was it automotive paint?
That paint can tell you a LOT!!
You think paint records still exist from the mid 60s? I think you have better odds of catching a meteor and hurling it back into space than tracing paint speckles on that watch to a specific purchase of paint.
I’d love it if Sandy’s prints had been recovered and it would solve both the canonical and non-canonical crimes, all at once.
TomVoigt has allegedly imitated that a ‘gross’ item received several days later
accompanying the Halloween Card had some link to Bennallack killing (my
view – I seem to remember that the Bennallack autopsy had Bennallack
with a cut down her back, most likely item to be accompanying the card
could be a long very thin dried strip of flesh cut from the back – have to
check that autopsy report again)
That explains it, thanks.
"Why do you think that could be a Zodiac murder?"
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop … 492#p71492
Close facial match to suspect described (by three girls) at Lake Berryessa
(my view – most likely witness at Bennallack’s first floor site was ground flat
resident seeing suspect in their enclosed back yard through rear glass/curtain
– light may not have been good, but suspect was probably physically quite close).
TomVoigt has allegedly imitated that a ‘gross’ item received several days later
accompanying the Halloween Card had some link to Bennallack killing (my
view – I seem to remember that the Bennallack autopsy had Bennallack
with a cut down her back, most likely item to be accompanying the card
could be a long very thin dried strip of flesh cut from the back – have to
check that autopsy report again).
I seem to remember that some Zodiac letter around this time had some
unusual double letter ‘mistakes’ – that’s weak, but I’ll include the point for
completeness.
Shawn discovered some other matches between the wording on the Halloween
Card Zodiac selected and a rare wording in the newspaper, in the same edition
that reported the Bennallack killing, number ’14’ placed on the card by Zodiac
matches page number of killing report – again, point included for completeness.
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop … oil#p81537
Well, the description of the suspect at LB was only slightly more detailed than a Mr. Potato Head doll. It’s basically a kid’s drawing of Bob’s Big Boy. So, that’s not much to go on. As far as the "gross item" goes, was it sent with the Halloween Card? If not, it could just be two separate killers sending things to the press. Do we even know if this gross item was matched to Bennallack’s corpse? Also, the Bennallack murder would represent a radical departure from Zodiac’s MO. As far as we know, he never went to a victim’s home. It was also in Sacramento, an area where, to our knowledge, Zodiac never operated. That’s quite a few differences.
Do we even know if this gross item was matched to Bennallack’s corpse?
Nope.
Voigt qualified his original statement with, "if true," and now it’s taken for granted (in some quarters) that it actually happened. Speculation is fine, I just think we have to be clear that this is rather vague info from an unnamed source.
I’d say the most problematic aspect of Zodiac killing Bennallack isn’t the MO, it’s the DNA the killer left behind. Why are they still tooling around with old envelopes if they already have a profile from an actual crime scene?
Do we even know if this gross item was matched to Bennallack’s corpse?
Nope.
Voigt qualified his original statement with, "if true," and now it’s taken for granted (in some quarters) that it actually happened. Speculation is fine, I just think we have to be clear that this is rather vague info from an unnamed source.
I’d say the most problematic aspect of Zodiac killing Bennallack isn’t the MO, it’s the DNA the killer left behind. Why are they still tooling around with old envelopes if they already have a profile from an actual crime scene?
Good point!
TomVoigt has allegedly imitated that a ‘gross’ item received several days later
accompanying the Halloween Card had some link to Bennallack killing (my
view – I seem to remember that the Bennallack autopsy had Bennallack
with a cut down her back, most likely item to be accompanying the card
could be a long very thin dried strip of flesh cut from the back – have to
check that autopsy report again)
Possible 1971 Zodiac cipher and communication to the San Francisco Chronicle: "Why can’t you stop me. I can’t stop killing. Stop listening to phonys. If this is not on the front page in a week I will skin 3 little kids and make a suit from the skin".
"Next time I will send a patch of human skin if there is some left over".
Why are they still tooling around with old envelopes if they already have a profile from an actual crime scene?
I imagine because the confirmed Zodiac murders are separate crimes that they would like to solve if possible. Sure, Zodiac could hypothetically be arrested and tried for one murder (Bennallack) and imprisoned for the rest of his life, but that would not provide any justice to the other victims and their families. If a suspect was arrested tomorrow in the Bennallack case and he was old enough to be Zodiac, I’m sure this forum would go into overdrive looking into his background.
Look at Wayne Williams in the Atlanta child murders case. He is in prison for only two murders but is believed to be responsible for many more.
