my irk is that basically his "genius" was information overload.

there are too many crime scenes, too many weapons, too many witnesses, and too many mailings. since we don’t know for sure which letters (or crime scenes)are his and which are impostors it’s impossible to even reliably gather data. we end up pondering over the position of letters, hidden meanings, astrological connections, similar crimes, etc.

and the fact that the people closes to "Dee" were the very same people who led investigators on a wild goose chase. From listening to my mother a friend of Dee’s, she started to believe throughout time that the act of the "Zodiac" was perpetrated by more then one person. I also heard her say "I don’t think Dee was killed by the Zodiac–if there even was a Zodiac..;" which leads me to believe that the "Zodiac" is indicative or symbolic to something bad occurring within the Vallejo and Napa Police Department. It is my opinion, Attorney General’s Office has the power to solve and conclude the Zodiac Killing murders. However, the seed of the Zodiac was planted when the first letter was published. I do appreciate this site because it keeps the Zodiac investigation alive. I hope my theory is wrong because I would rather believe the works of the Zodiac was perpetrated by some creepy guy rather than corrupt law enforcement, as I have many law enforcement friends that I have respected throughout the years whom I came in contact Namaste.

Both of your posts are interesting to me. It "irks" me that people did see him as a "genius", when in reality he was probably just lucky that he didn’t get caught. This "genius" almost sounded like a little kid that was bragging about winning a board game, especially in his later letters.

In regards to people that were close to Dee that sent investigators on a "wild goose chase" that really "irks" me as well. I think one of the major mistakes (there were many) was people assuming that Dee knew the killer. I think one major thing about this was the phone call, that we eventually found out was her brother, and her sister assisting that Dee was the center of the whole thing. I’m sure she was trying to help, but I’m leaning more towards Dee and Mike being random victims. If the killer was local he may have known her or even saw her earlier and decided to target her, but I do not think she was a longer term thought out victim. I also leaning more towards one person and not a team. Partly because if it was a team it’s more likely that one of them would have talked by now, plus it probably would have dragged out longer because one of them would have wanted the attention and spot light to continue. If it’s only one person it more likely that person was arrested, sought help, because ill, etc. If there is a team, then there would probably have always been someone that wanted to continue and took it too far.

my irk is that basically his "genius" was information overload.

there are too many crime scenes, too many weapons, too many witnesses, and too many mailings. since we don’t know for sure which letters (or crime scenes)are his and which are impostors it’s impossible to even reliably gather data. we end up pondering over the position of letters, hidden meanings, astrological connections, similar crimes, etc.

…and the fact that the people closes to "Dee" were the very same people who led investigators on a wild goose chase. From listening to my mother a friend of Dee’s, she started to believe throughout time that the act of the "Zodiac" was perpetrated by more then one person. I also heard her say "I don’t think Dee was killed by the Zodiac–if there even was a Zodiac..;" which leads me to believe that the "Zodiac" is indicative or symbolic to something bad occurring within the Vallejo and Napa Police Department. It is my opinion, Attorney General’s Office has the power to solve and conclude the Zodiac Killing murders. However, the seed of the Zodiac was planted when the first letter was published. I do appreciate this site because it keeps the Zodiac investigation alive. I hope my theory is wrong because I would rather believe the works of the Zodiac was perpetrated by some creepy guy rather than corrupt law enforcement, as I have many law enforcement friends that I have respected throughout the years whom I came in contact Namaste.

Thanks Janie, very interesting.

Another thing that irks me is Montana. Basically meaning, NONE of the major suspects named by experts and amateur sleuths has a Montana connection. Why would Zodiac at Lake Berryessa mention that he had broken out of a Montana prison
(Deer Lodge). That kinda makes all the famous suspects seem not to match up.

I was just watching some youtube videos about Z and came across a video called "the 10 facts you don’t know about the zodiac killer." I wasn’t so much annoyed that there was nothing there that wasn’t common knowledge, but what really pissed me off was that most of the so-called facts weren’t facts at all. It appears the video was posted by either Dennis Kaufman or some supporter of his. Whoever it was, they got a lot of things wrong. For example, the Kathleen Johns’ incident is presented as if it was a definitely Z. They also include the unconfirmed letters as confirmed ones, even the Bates’ letters. This misinformation drives me crazy.

The second biggest thing that irks me is when people like Kaufman accuse family members of being Z. It’s so obvious with him, as with the others, that it’s all a publicity stunt. And the media falls for their BS every time.

Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest

I know. I saw that video too and posted a few corrections.

Anyway, my peeve? How some schmuck like him doesn’t get caught because the cops were too busy chasing Arthur Lee Allen for years, thanks in large part to Graysmith.

Peeve number two? Graysmith, a rather terrible cartoonist who was an even worse true crime writer and an EVEN WORSE armchair detective.

Peeve number three? The Fincher movie, ruined because it was basically a Graysmith biography based on Zodiac Unmasked.

Another thing that irks me is Montana. Basically meaning, NONE of the major suspects named by experts and amateur sleuths has a Montana connection. Why would Zodiac at Lake Berryessa mention that he had broken out of a Montana prison
(Deer Lodge). That kinda makes all the famous suspects seem not to match up.

Not true, look at George Saxberg in the Suspects section, his Mom lived in Deer Lodge during the Z murders, and on two back to back days following his questioning by police after bragging he was zodiac to some fellow county inmates, z mailed two back to back letters including the 340 cipher. Z never mailed letters on consecutive days before or after that

And Hartnell didn’t even say Montana.

And Hartnell didn’t even say Montana.

He thought it was a prison with two words, like DEER LODGE, FERN LODGE, etc. I know that some in law enforcement handling the Z case, have hinted that Zodiac used a different name,but who knows.

What irks me is the thoughts that only people of power ( law enforcement) can solve this case or that one person of power is more superior than another. Everyone has a brain. Just some might have more experience than another. If you don’t have the experience you can certainly get some.

Soze

Just because you have traveled through the ranks of the police to the top, doesn’t mean you have an intellectual and intuitive brain. It’s about time ‘clever brains’, with some forensic knowledge as part of their arsenal were drafted in directly. Recently somebody in Britain was found dismembered inside a suitcase. The police said ‘they suspected foul play’. I wonder how many years of training it took, to create such intelligence. I have to admit I got it wrong, I thought the person had climbed into the suitcase, zipped up the outside, and bit off their own legs and arms. British Police 1 Dumb British Pleb 0.

What irks me is the thoughts that only people of power ( law enforcement) can solve this case or that one person of power is more superior than another. Everyone has a brain. Just some might have more experience than another. If you don’t have the experience you can certainly get some.

Soze

I agree.

That it is possible that evidence is missing, destroyed, lost related to Z crimes and correspondence to Law enforcement

And, that there are so many POIs that fit the Z suspect it is alarming the # of creeps out there in society

Just because you have traveled through the ranks of the police to the top, doesn’t mean you have an intellectual and intuitive brain. It’s about time ‘clever brains’, with some forensic knowledge as part of their arsenal were drafted in directly. Recently somebody in Britain was found dismembered inside a suitcase. The police said ‘they suspected foul play’. I wonder how many years of training it took, to create such intelligence. I have to admit I got it wrong, I thought the person had climbed into the suitcase, zipped up the outside, and bit off their own legs and arms. British Police 1 Dumb British Pleb 0.

Lol. A true Barney Fife.

The lake Berryessa sketch bothers me the most. Whether it’s just a coincidence or a bad sketch, it bothers me all the same.

The lake Berryessa sketch bothers me the most. Whether it’s just a coincidence or a bad sketch, it bothers me all the same.

It’s not very artistically drawn that’s for sure, but what if they found the guy and there was a darn good resemblance? It could turn out it actually looks more like the guy than the composite! (long shot I know)

Definitely has to be people who know nothing about behavioral profiling and who have never solved a case in their lives regaling us with their profile of Z.

Mike