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vasa croe
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Ok…I am on my phone so I can’t type my actual profiling of Z right now. I will sometime this weekend. What I would love to understand is the profile. I want to know the 5 "W’s".

Why does one person want all the glory? What if this website figured it out?

I know what I would do….

 
Posted : October 4, 2014 9:23 am
vasa croe
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Ok…i have an odd idea. What if we could compile ONLY the research from professional, and Only the results compiled from amateur Zodiac researchers, pit them against ALL of the notes from the investigators and letters, and narrow it down that way? As in find connections, either through handwriting, grammar, alliteration, etc…through a highly advanced OCR system…

I have been searching newspapers from the area lately and the amount of Zybchronicity is astounding.

If nothing else, we rule out every suspect in the current line up.

Essentially it would rank the suspects against the LEO profiles and rate them…

 
Posted : October 4, 2014 10:23 am
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None of the current "suspects" are The Zodiac, imo, and I’d be willing to bet my life on that statement…

 
Posted : October 4, 2014 2:38 pm
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Hi JR-

Before anyone gives their profile of the killer I’d suggest this ground rule: You have to tell us how many cold cases you have solved in your lifetime and what your training is in behavioral profiling. If the answer to those questions is "none," then you have to tell us why your "profile" has any merit.

Is that fair? You are willing to bet your life that my suspect is not Z. But do you realize that in making that bet you are going up against one of the most highly consulted and successful forensic psychologists on the planet. Are you saying that your opinion is of more value than his? Just trying to get a handle on things.

Mike

Mike Rodelli

Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : October 4, 2014 3:54 pm
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None of the current "suspects" are The Zodiac, imo, and I’d be willing to bet my life on that statement…

qft. they’re mostly guilty only of being noticed by obsessive internet posters.

 
Posted : October 4, 2014 4:38 pm
morf13
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Hi JR-

Before anyone gives their profile of the killer I’d suggest this ground rule: You have to tell us how many cold cases you have solved in your lifetime and what your training is in behavioral profiling. If the answer to those questions is "none," then you have to tell us why your "profile" has any merit.

Is that fair? You are willing to bet your life that my suspect is not Z. But do you realize that in making that bet you are going up against one of the most highly consulted and successful forensic psychologists on the planet. Are you saying that your opinion is of more value than his? Just trying to get a handle on things.

Mike

To be fair, there are other profilers that have pegged Zodiac as the complete opposite of Mr X. Everybody has a right to their own opinion of a profile of Z, whether it’s professional or not.

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : October 4, 2014 5:22 pm
vasa croe
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None of the current "suspects" are The Zodiac, imo, and I’d be willing to bet my life on that statement…

I don’t mean a name….I mean Z’s profile to you in general. A name doesn’t have to be attached to it and a profile could fit any number of people.

 
Posted : October 4, 2014 5:37 pm
doranchak
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Is that fair? You are willing to bet your life that my suspect is not Z. But do you realize that in making that bet you are going up against one of the most highly consulted and successful forensic psychologists on the planet. Are you saying that your opinion is of more value than his? Just trying to get a handle on things.
Mike

This is "argument from authority", and you must be careful in wielding it as a defense. You bring it up from time to time but I don’t think it’s convincing by itself.

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : October 4, 2014 10:34 pm
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Hmmmm. As I said in other threads…The Zodiac and I are very similar in personality. I cannot explain that claim further to you without…degrading myself in your eyes, but rest assured that what the person who claimed to be The Zodiac did and felt, how he viewed the world, is very, very similar to my own psychological disposition, which has…made me reevaluate some of my own behaviors and previous actions. Details would convince you, but…I’m not trying to eliminate my base credibility as an anonympous human being with rather embarrassing specifics…

Yes, I too like the word "rather", and no, I’m not even remotely of British origin…

I wish I could explain more, or better, but…suffice it to say, unlike the "normal" people (you), The Zodiac’s personality is almost totally understandable to me. Granted, I’ve never killed anyone, but I get the angry, isolated, ignored rage and manic-depressive personality. I get his desperate need for attention, his lone-wolf disposition, and more importantly, his (false) strident superiority complex, which actually stems from feelings of inadequacy (duh) and rejection. I also "get" his innate "weirdness". Granted, guns, explosives and the occult aren’t my "things", but that’s just clothing over the defective personality.

Add to all of that a psychotic, homicidal compulsion to remorselessly take lives and you have…him.

Ergo…none of the people listed as "suspects" are even close to The Zodiac’s personality, as far as I know, and Arthur Leigh Allen, often touted as the "suspect" most similar to The Zodiac, imo, shares but a few salient traits. Under the hood (haha, I "sla" me), the two guys are QUITE different. IMO.

Sorry for arousing any anger, but opinions are just that: opinions.

P.S. One example…when I get depressed or angry, as I have over the years….my writing suffers. Greatly. Words for which I am normally quite familiar become impenetrable mysteries. And I mean small words. Simple words. But then I can spell them fine a bit later.

State of mind, man, state of mind. That’s the key to understanding the man who wore the hood of The Zodiac.

JMO.

P.S. 2…The "Your Ass is a Dragon" card is pretty hilarious and clever, and I can see why The Zodiac chose it. I would have.

Just imagine him standing there in the store, looking over the cards, snickering to himself, drawing strange sidelong stares…I conjured that scene the other night in my local grocery store. Passing by the card aisle, my imagination went back to 1969, Vallejo, or wherever, him in his clothing, looking through those old quaint cards, eagerly looking for a little something special to send to The Chronicle.

Okay, I’m done.

 
Posted : October 5, 2014 8:23 am
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Hi-

Mr. Walter’s profile is not the best one because it fits Mr. X or because it comes from "an authority." It is the best one because it explains many things about the killer and even anticipates his need to write letters. As soon as I heard it in 2004, I was nodding my head because it explained so much about Z. And I was skeptical of profilers back then.

I’ll bet that most people here don’t even know the exact components that make up that profile and yet I’ve seen thread after thread where amateurs try their hand at writing a better one. If you needed brain surgery, I am sure everyone here would rather go to a doctor with 40 years experience in opening up people’s heads, as opposed to going to some guy who read a couple of articles on brain surgery. But when it comes to profiling, possibly because we see it on TV shows every week, amateurs think there is nothing to it and simply come up with their own, as if they have any idea what they are talking about.

Sure, other professional profilers have come up with other profiles of Z. However, theirs do not capture as many of the traits that have been attributed to Z for forty years as the umbrella "power-assertive killer" does. But hey, knock yourselves out. I won’t bother you anymore.

Mike

Mike Rodelli

Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : October 5, 2014 5:33 pm
Tahoe27
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JRoberson,

Have you ever considered that maybe Zodiac wasn’t one of the known suspects because he doesn’t have the personality you and many other claim he had?

Smoke and mirrors.

Honestly, without knowing who Zodiac was, we don’t know what he was REALLY like, do we? ;)


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : October 5, 2014 9:55 pm
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Hi-

Mr. Walter’s profile is not the best one because it fits Mr. X or because it comes from "an authority." It is the best one because it explains many things about the killer and even anticipates his need to write letters. As soon as I heard it in 2004, I was nodding my head because it explained so much about Z. And I was skeptical of profilers back then.

I’ll bet that most people here don’t even know the exact components that make up that profile and yet I’ve seen thread after thread where amateurs try their hand at writing a better one. If you needed brain surgery, I am sure everyone here would rather go to a doctor with 40 years experience in opening up people’s heads, as opposed to going to some guy who read a couple of articles on brain surgery. But when it comes to profiling, possibly because we see it on TV shows every week, amateurs think there is nothing to it and simply come up with their own, as if they have any idea what they are talking about.

Sure, other professional profilers have come up with other profiles of Z. However, theirs do not capture as many of the traits that have been attributed to Z for forty years as the umbrella "power-assertive killer" does. But hey, knock yourselves out. I won’t bother you anymore.

Mike

re: brain surgery and profiling. one is a science and the other isnt. my 2 cents.

 
Posted : October 5, 2014 10:59 pm
morf13
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I know with the DC Sniper case, an FBI Profiler had the investigators looking for a White male in his 20’s or 30’s, and early on, they got a tip about 2 black males in a chevy caprice, and buried it in the tips, as it didn’t match their FBI Profiler’s thoughts of who they were looking for. In the end, a profile is just an opinion, and if the profiler is wrong, they get to keep their job, sort of like weather men on your local news, if they get the forecast completely wrong, they still keep their job

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : October 6, 2014 4:03 am
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Since it doesn’t show up on Google, Mike’s write-up on Richard Walter’s profile from the Wayback Machine:

http://www.mikerodelli.com/update82010.ht m”> http://web.archive.org/web/201009200443 … e82010.htm

Edit: Here is a version that focuses more on the profile and less on Mr. X…they’re both worth reading:

http://www.mikerodelli.com/newzodiacprofile.htm l”> http://web.archive.org/web/201001130459 … ofile.html

Some "old school" profiles as summarized by Michael Butterfield:

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/PsychPortraits.htm

 
Posted : October 6, 2014 7:47 am
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JRoberson,

Have you ever considered that maybe Zodiac wasn’t one of the known suspects because he doesn’t have the personality you and many other claim he had?

Smoke and mirrors.

Honestly, without knowing who Zodiac was, we don’t know what he was REALLY like, do we? ;)

Like I said…I’ve done things very, very similar (in spirit) to what he did. Very. Frighteningly similar. It’s something of a huge miracle I’m not in prison, actually.

And I know me. So I doubt this guy is that far off the mark from my personality, which has been…rather uneven over the years, to say the least.

Again, I’d love to totally elaborate, but in all honesty…I really don’t think you, or anyone else, would or could ever understand, no matter how well or how much I tried to explain, and it’s a foregone conclusion that if I did, all I’d receive is scorn and ridicule, per the demonstrable physics of human nature.

No offense intended, Tahoe.

 
Posted : October 6, 2014 8:00 am
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