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"I HOPE YOU ARE HAVING LOTS OF FUN IN TRYING TO CATCH ME THAT WASN’T ME ON THE TV SHOW WHICH BRINGS UP A POINT ABOUT ME I AM NOT AFRAID OF THE GAS CHAMBER BECAUSE IT WILL SEND ME TO PARADICE ALL THE SOONER BECAUSE I NOW HAVE ENOUGH SLAVES TO WORK FOR ME WHERE EVERYONE ELSE HAS NOTHING WHEN THEY REACH PARADICE SO THEY ARE AFRAID OF DEATH I AM NOT AFRAID BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MY NEW LIFE WILL BE AN EASY ONE IN PARADICE DEATH"

congrats again to this site’s amazing team who worked tirelessly to crack the z340. since we now know the message we can put it into the context of the times and look for any clues to the writer.

the "tv show" he references is the october 22, 1969 edition of the jim dunbar show. info taken directly from richard grinell’s site – "Two months earlier on October 22nd 1969 the Oakland Police Department took a call in the early morning hours from somebody claiming to be the Zodiac, requesting that either Melvin Belli or Francis Lee Bailey, high profile lawyers at the time, appear on a chat show hosted by Jim Dunbar on KGO-TV later that day. Melvin Belli agreed to appear on the show, to which a man would eventually contact via telephone, claiming not only his name was ‘Sam’, but was also the infamous Zodiac Killer. "

we already knew zodiac mailed a letter in dec 1969 to melvin belli, which appeared to be his acknowledgment of the tv show. now we know the z340, sent november 8, 1969 also includes a denial of his involvement in the tv show. from a historic perspective this is obvious, as we now have many of the details of where the call originated, the caller, etc but in sending the z340 to deny involvement i think it points again to the importance zodiac held to making sure his message made it through – he didn’t want imposters taking his light away.

in light of this it also makes me see the belli letter as more of a sarcastic take on the jim dunbar call. as though he’s making fun of the caller by pretending to need belli’s help. thoughts?

 
Posted : December 11, 2020 4:07 pm
 Khys
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There is in this a confirmation to me of Zodiac’s non interest in sex. I’ve always thought that the slaves in the afterlife idea connotes a sort of sexual service but here we see he wants them seemingly for work, an “easy” life, not sex. There might be something in this to move us closer to Zodiac was a regular joe working a menial job. This is the kind of fantasy of a low level laborer. What occult inspiration did he draw from that needs workers after death?

 
Posted : December 11, 2020 4:33 pm
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For years many assumed the cipher was improperly coded or deliberately unsolvable. The fact it took 51 years to solve what is an ingeniously encrypted code suggests Zodiac was in fact quite intelligent and skilled in cryptography, possibly with a military or mathematical background.

 
Posted : December 11, 2020 5:20 pm
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To my untrained eye, this seems like a complex code. Does this indicate Zodiac was much more proficient at code making than the 408 seemed to indicate? This one seems far more sophisticated.

“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer

 
Posted : December 11, 2020 5:55 pm
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To my untrained eye, this seems like a complex code. Does this indicate Zodiac was much more proficient at code making than the 408 seemed to indicate? This one seems far more sophisticated.

I am a little skeptical of this solution. The complexity and the rules are much more liberal for this solution than the 408. The solution is only as good as rules applied. Ted K. developed a diagonal code but the solution was much more clean. The solution would never have been decoded without the key found in his cabin.

This is what I ask Doranchak….

Hi Dave,

Good work with the of the bulk power of modern computer software power and human intervention.

My question is how could the FBI confirm the solution so quickly when your solution takes several leap
Of faiths, much more than one can with the 408 solution.

Another thing. Can such massive brute force computer power we have today along with your powerful AZD
Computer program create….. a false positive solution?

Creating a (false positive) solution for the 408 would be much more difficult because of its simplicity as you
have tried in the past.

 
Posted : December 11, 2020 6:32 pm
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There has been comment in the past about the Zodiac making two "nine" references in the Belli letter…especially the second, "no nine," which felt rather contrived (not to mention misspelling "ninth" as "nineth"). Which led to some speculation about the significance of the number 9. Now I wonder if he was hinting at the structure of the 340.

 
Posted : December 11, 2020 6:34 pm
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I don’t see any reason to doubt the correctness of the solution. I’m more interested in what this new solution can tell us about the level of sophistication of the Zodiac in regards to cipher making.

“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer

 
Posted : December 11, 2020 7:58 pm
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Has the key been applied to the last two ciphers ??

 
Posted : December 11, 2020 8:39 pm
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For years many assumed the cipher was improperly coded or deliberately unsolvable. The fact it took 51 years to solve what is an ingeniously encrypted code suggests Zodiac was in fact quite intelligent and skilled in cryptography, possibly with a military or mathematical background.

Another interpretation is that any sort of multi-layered ciphering process – it doesn’t have to be sophisticated in any way – is going to be extremely difficult to crack.

 
Posted : December 11, 2020 9:33 pm
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To my untrained eye, this seems like a complex code. Does this indicate Zodiac was much more proficient at code making than the 408 seemed to indicate? This one seems far more sophisticated.

I am a little skeptical of this solution. The complexity and the rules are much more liberal for this solution than the 408.

:roll:

It’s the solution. The rules are few, systematic, and the plaintext is broadly coherent and obviously identifying.

 
Posted : December 11, 2020 9:36 pm
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For years many assumed the cipher was improperly coded or deliberately unsolvable. The fact it took 51 years to solve what is an ingeniously encrypted code suggests Zodiac was in fact quite intelligent and skilled in cryptography, possibly with a military or mathematical background.

Another interpretation is that any sort of multi-layered ciphering process – it doesn’t have to be sophisticated in any way – is going to be extremely difficult to crack.

So, based upon the 408 and 340, how would you assess Zodiac’s codemaking skills? Was he a novice? Did he receive some intermediate level training perhaps in the military? Or was he a next level cryptologist with exceptional skills and training?

“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer

 
Posted : December 11, 2020 9:49 pm
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For years many assumed the cipher was improperly coded or deliberately unsolvable. The fact it took 51 years to solve what is an ingeniously encrypted code suggests Zodiac was in fact quite intelligent and skilled in cryptography, possibly with a military or mathematical background.

Another interpretation is that any sort of multi-layered ciphering process – it doesn’t have to be sophisticated in any way – is going to be extremely difficult to crack.

So, based upon the 408 and 340, how would you assess Zodiac’s codemaking skills? Was he a novice? Did he receive some intermediate level training perhaps in the military? Or was he a next level cryptologist with exceptional skills and training?

Anyone with a cryptography book could have made this cipher, just pulling random encryption techniques fnd layering them makes the cipher that much harder to solve. I’d also argue all of his errors and peculiarities in both the homophonic key and the transposition key show he probably didn’t have any formal training. Like why did he randomly choose to make ‘H’ a one-to-one mapping? They definitely wouldn’t teach that in the military. Same with mappings chosen in the 408, someone with more training probably would have altered the key to display the letter frequencies in his plaintext.

 
Posted : December 11, 2020 9:58 pm
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For years many assumed the cipher was improperly coded or deliberately unsolvable. The fact it took 51 years to solve what is an ingeniously encrypted code suggests Zodiac was in fact quite intelligent and skilled in cryptography, possibly with a military or mathematical background.

Another interpretation is that any sort of multi-layered ciphering process – it doesn’t have to be sophisticated in any way – is going to be extremely difficult to crack.

So, based upon the 408 and 340, how would you assess Zodiac’s codemaking skills? Was he a novice? Did he receive some intermediate level training perhaps in the military? Or was he a next level cryptologist with exceptional skills and training?

I think he owned and read at least one book on the subject, and there isn’t much more indication of sophistication beyond that.

 
Posted : December 11, 2020 10:01 pm
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Just a minor observation. The "one down, two over" pattern could be thought of as a variation on a "knight’s tour". Chess was relatively popular around that time.

Maybe an oblique clue to Zodiac’s identity might be an interest in chess.

 
Posted : December 11, 2020 10:07 pm
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Just a minor observation. The "one down, two over" pattern could be thought of as a variation on a "knight’s tour". Chess was relatively popular around that time.

Maybe an oblique clue to Zodiac’s identity might be an interest in chess.

Actually, damn:

"I am the ZODIAC and I am in control of all things. I am going to tell you a secret. I like friction tape. I like to have it around in case I need to truss someone up in a hurry….I have my real name on a small metallic tape. You see, while you have it in your possession, I want you to know it belongs to me and you think I may have left it accidentally. I am athletic. It could be swim fins, or a piece of scuba gear. But maybe you play chess with me. I have several cheap sets in closets all over. I have my name on the bottom of the lid with the scotch tape….My tape is waiting for me all over California. Do you know me? I am the ZODIAC and I am in control".

Knight’s tour, with the "name on the bottom of the lid with the scotch tape" – seems to suggest the pattern for decryption, with the "one over, two down" pattern, and the strip at the bottom which contained his "name".

 
Posted : December 11, 2020 10:13 pm
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