An imaginary Jury, that is.

Check out this mock trial summary from a student at the Albany Crime Lab.

http://www.bxscience.edu/publications/forensics/articles/trials/f-tria01.htm

Some of the information is hilariously wrong. I’d love to see someone do it in formal process with a knowledgeable presentation.

‘Kathleen Johns greatly helped Allen’s case by testifying that her attacker was a black male’

This can’t be true, can it? Some nonsense somewhere..

QT

Weird. I do not know of ANY time ever when Johns id’d a black man as her attacker. I do agree, that if Allen was arrested,and tried,he would be acquitted. There was no print evidence to link him, no ballistics,no writing match, NOTHING.

Robert Johns, Kathleen’s estranged husband, was black. Maybe that fact got mixed in with all the rest of the info?????

Robert Johns, Kathleen’s estranged husband, was black. Maybe that fact got mixed in with all the rest of the info?????

Yep. Bet that’s what happened.

How many people would’ve known that, though? Sounds like a fairly obscure bit of information.

I was rather baffled when I saw the title of the thread "Allen Not Guilty, Jury Finds" lol. I was wondering how the accused could enter a plea to the charge when the accused is no longer among the living. I was rather disappointed to discover "An imaginary Jury, that is." I had images of the Judge asking: "Arthur Leigh Allen, to the charge of 5 counts of murder in the first degree, two attempted murders, and felony assault, how do you plead, guilty, or not guilty?" And the Defence Lawyer sat at the table with an Ouija Board…. "N….. O…….T ……G………U…..I…….L……T…..Y.” Feel very let down now lol.

Although to be fair, and serious, for a second, I didn’t need to see DNA, fingerprint or Handwriting results to exonerate ALA. I always saw his big, shiny bald head as evidence that this is not the ‘crew cut’ Presidio shooter, or the man with ‘Wavy brown hair that hung down across his forehead’ at Lake B.

Yeah, we don’t really need any of that to rule him out, to be honest. All it took for me was his paedophilia. I’ve never heard of a paedophile who committed serial murders of a non-sexual nature. Still think one or two of the Santa Rosa murders may have been Allen’s work.

Although to be fair, and serious, for a second, I didn’t need to see DNA, fingerprint or Handwriting results to exonerate ALA. I always saw his big, shiny bald head as evidence that this is not the ‘crew cut’ Presidio shooter, or the man with ‘Wavy brown hair that hung down across his forehead’ at Lake B.

I agree, and also, I have a gut feeling that he would have left a confession. To rub it in the "pigs" faces!

Yeah, we don’t really need any of that to rule him out, to be honest. All it took for me was his paedophilia. I’ve never heard of a paedophile who committed serial murders of a non-sexual nature. Still think one or two of the Santa Rosa murders may have been Allen’s work.

I don’t know anything about the Santa Rosa details, so won’t pretend to. But yeah your first point is another thing that seems to rule Allen out. Paedophiles are, obviously, attracted to children sexually. Zodiac’s crimes didn’t appear, at least on the surface, to be sexually motivated, and even if they were, the victim were all young adults, the youngest being 16. From what is known about Paedophilia and serial killers, they are usually either one or the other but if, on the rare occasion an offender is both paedophilic and a serial, then the victims will almost always be children (Such as is seen with Wayne Williams & The Atlanta Child murders.)

From what is known about Paedophilia and serial killers, they are usually either one or the other but if, on the rare occasion an offender is both paedophilic and a serial, then the victims will almost always be children…

Exactly.

I’m not entirely sure Wayne Williams murdered all those youths, but that’s another story entirely.

From what is known about Paedophilia and serial killers, they are usually either one or the other but if, on the rare occasion an offender is both paedophilic and a serial, then the victims will almost always be children…

Exactly.

I’m not entirely sure Wayne Williams murdered all those youths, but that’s another story entirely.

That is a controversial case. The race card has been played right from the bginning in that case though because after the first few children were murdered and all of them Black, the community decided then that the child murders were racial hate crimes committed by members of the KKK. And when John Douglas released his criminal profile stating that the supect would be a Black Male Adult, there was almost riots. But the fact is, Serial Killers, 95% + of the time will stay within their own race while selecting victims. I wuld be the first to defend anyone who was a victim of racism, and have done in the pst, but to try and play the race card when Children are being murdered is just wrong. I remember thinking if there was as much attention focused on catching the offender as they did arguing over what race he was they’d have been better off.
I think it’s safe to say Williams was responsible for some, at least one, of the child murders. The police set up camp under a bridge, and in theearly hours, a large heavy object slashes down into the water. Police race to the bridge, apprehend the man, Williams, and retrieve the object from the river below that he’d just thrown overboard. It was a child’s body. That is as close to being sure he killed that child as you can get without actually catching him in the act of the murder.

As far as I am concerned, if you kill one child, you can rot behind bars until you do the rest of the world a favour and die. I always believe that people should get a second chance, but not when it comes to ******* like Williams.

Not far from where I live, little 5 year old April Jones was abducted and murdered by 46 year old Mark Bridger, for which most would want the death penalty brough back, but I don’t and the reason is quite simple. Bridger was given a full life tarif (UK equivalent of life without parol), and that means he will get slashed with blades, have boiling water thrown in his face etc, just like Ian Huntly has had to endure, and it will be day after day after day, and he can’t ever get away from other inmates!

As I wrote on my facebook status the day he as sent down, "Bye bye, look frrward to reading about you in the papers soon after one of the other inmates has gotten to you and sliced half your face off".
Srry, I know that’s a nasty thing to suggest, and that this is going off topic but can’t help it when it comes to that tosser.

I’ve studied up a bit on WW and the Atlanta Child Murders and I am pretty on the fence about his guilt.

After setting up the sting that nabbed Williams it was two days later when they found the body dumped in the river. That body belonged to an adult lover of Williams, which doesn’t really fit the profile of the ACK. The other murder that Williams was charged and convicted of was also an adult, not a child.

The bulk of the evidence against him were matching fibers on the victims supposedly from his bed and dog hair, but it’s hard to pin point them down to a certainity, since there is a pretty decent probabilty of other people in Atlanta owning a green matress and a doberman dog. Plus people argue about the timeline of when he had access to the vehicle in which they were found. I’m not convinced these exonerate him, but it does introduce some doubt.

Allegedly FBI correspondenace with white supremacists testified that they may have been behind the killings, supporting the racially motivated theory. I tend to side with Douglas analysis on that, as it does seem far fetched to me.

The biggest dissatisfaction in the case is the fact that, as I said, Williams was only convicted of two murders, but the police closed the case on the other 30 or so. That is a slap in the face for justice of the family members. And after 20 years or so the case was reinvestigated and the Atlanta PD now believes that several of the murders, 8 I believe, the ones being of the girls, are not related to the others that were previosuly lumped together in the series and they are now listed as unsolved instead of closed.

Williams may have murdered one or two of the older victims, but I’m not convinced about most of the children. Neither do I put much stock in white supremacists being the ones responsible. Several eyewitness accounts fingered two perps operating together – a pair of black men in a beat-up car, cruising the neighbourhoods in search of kids. My pet theory is that a paedophile ring was working that part of Atlanta, and most of the kids were abducted, used and then murdered by these sick creeps.