All I did in my previous post was change Navy to Air Force. I guess the retired police office was one and the same as the code cracker- Lyndon Lafferty who I see this site is aware of.

Given the little bit of poetic license used in the piece (not truly mentioning all details of anything with 100% accuracy), I am not sure how accurate what they said was in regard to things I hadn’t heard before. They did mention ALA who was eliminated in 2002 by DNA, and then Lyndon Lafferty’s suspect. They said Lyndon cracked the last 18 using obscure coding techniques he learned in the Air Force. They also said he once pulled up to a car at a rest stop when he was with California Highway Patrol and saw a man that matched Z’s description. It turned out to be the same name he came up with, after retiring, when decoding. They used the pseudonym George Russell Tucker and said he went on a violent rampage after his wife had an affair with a Superior Court Judge and wanted to prove he was smarter than the judge, hence his ciphers, etc.

But anything that keeps the Z story alive is better than nothing?

-m

But anything that keeps the Z story alive is better than nothing?

-m

I used to think so, but now…not so much.

This show used to be called "Monumental Mysteries". The Zodiac episode aired on August 9, 2013. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysteries_at_the_Monument

The full episode is on youtube but is blocked for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5whsy_oADlM

Unblocked https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5r0r … kdzMXF2Tjg

Thanks, Jarlve. I have made a streaming link so folks can watch it online. It may not work for everyone, but I think it should:

http://vidspot.net/0oj76kkuider

-glurk

Thread on Tom’s forum about the same episode:

http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/6 … -Mysteries

After viewing the Zodiac segment, I agree with the posters there: It’s not great.

Ah, didn’t even realize it had changed names, it said on my DVR it was the original air date, so I didn’t give it a thought.

I will look around on this site and Tom’s to learn more about Lafferty. I did realize when I searched I had seen some posts, and will check out this supposedly real suspect. No one on Tom’s site seems to have much respect for his work, and I find it oddly curious his "obscure deciphering techniques" came up with the same name. Do we have a thread on that, or know what and how he came up with?

I usually enjoy the Mysteries at… series but I really question how much real fact is in them. I have to agree with posters on Tom’s site, it pretty much sucked.

-m

I, too, am not impressed with Lafferty’s work. He seems just as eager for invention as many of the other Zodiac authors. Here’s some of my analysis of Lafferty’s code work:

http://www.zodiackillerciphers.com/?p=46

Going off memory, when Lafferty’s suspect died, I thought he was going to release some of the code work not previously available. As far as I know that has not happened.

As far as I can tell, it must not have been, but Zamantha might know more.

There is a thread with his real name found at viewtopic.php?f=47&t=182&hilit=WillIAM+J.+GRANT

There may be a nugget in their, but the police report bored me and Lafferty’s Celebrity Cipher work was not logical, I tried to go through it earlier.

I am just sooo suspicious when magically the cipher becomes their suspect. Secret Air Force codes he used, yup, my behind.

-m

As far as I can tell, it must not have been, but Zamantha might know more.

There is a thread with his real name found at viewtopic.php?f=47&t=182&hilit=WillIAM+J.+GRANT

There may be a nugget in their, but the police report bored me and Lafferty’s Celebrity Cipher work was not logical, I tried to go through it earlier.

I am just sooo suspicious when magically the cipher becomes their suspect. Secret Air Force codes he used, yup, my behind.

-m

Marie, I am not sure what you meant by Lyndon’s Celebrity Cipher solution not being logical and contained his suspects name? I saw it first hand and his suspects name isn’t anywhere to be found, unless I missed something?
His solution is about a woman that the writer felt was a slut, who liked younger men. If anything it shows the abbreviation of my suspects first name more than once.
The reason I think that the solution is logical, is that Zodiac hated women, probably thought most were sluts, so it made perfect sense to me.
Do I think Zodiac could be the writer? Yes

Lyndon studied code in the military and is very good at what he does. When I told him that I was working on the 340, he told me to make sure I didn’t try to make words fit to make a sentence . ( Many people do their solutions that way )
So I am very sure he didn’t do that with any of the ciphers that he did, to get his suspects name.

I have to say that if you use the solved ciphers as your "Rosetta Stone", you can come up with many names. Because there were so many symbols that were used for more than one letter of the alphabet. I was told that there were 9 symbols used for the letter S alone, so you can see how easy it would be to get many names from those symbols.

I found My suspects name in two ciphers, one being the "My Name cipher", it was the first initial of is first name, used for the letter K which is also used for /, you need to turn / backwards and it is the first letter of his first name R. The rest of the symbols fit his last name perfectly .
But as I said previously, many names can be made from those symbols and legitimately at that, without fudging.
The first 3 letters of the 340 are the first 3 letters of my suspects last name.

I have known Lyndon for 25 yrs , he has never fabricated anything to my knowledge. He and I have different suspects, yet I still love the man and his integrity .

Marie, I am not sure what you meant by Lyndon’s Celebrity Cipher solution not being logical and contained his suspects name? I saw it first hand and his suspects name isn’t anywhere to be found, unless I missed something?
His solution is about a woman that the writer felt was a slut, who liked younger men. If anything it shows the abbreviation of my suspects first name more than once.
The reason I think that the solution is logical, is that Zodiac hated women, probably thought most were sluts, so it made perfect sense to me.
Do I think Zodiac could be the writer? Yes

Lyndon studied code in the military and is very good at what he does. When I told him that I was working on the 340, he told me to make sure I didn’t try to make words fit to make a sentence . ( Many people do their solutions that way )
So I am very sure he didn’t do that with any of the ciphers that he did, to get his suspects name.

I have to say that if you use the solved ciphers as your "Rosetta Stone", you can come up with many names. Because there were so many symbols that were used for more than one letter of the alphabet. I was told that there were 9 symbols used for the letter S alone, so you can see how easy it would be to get many names from those symbols.

I found My suspects name in two ciphers, one being the "My Name cipher", it was the first initial of is first name, used for the letter K which is also used for /, you need to turn / backwards and it is the first letter of his first name R. The rest of the symbols fit his last name perfectly .
But as I said previously, many names can be made from those symbols and legitimately at that, without fudging.
The first 3 letters of the 340 are the first 3 letters of my suspects last name.

I have known Lyndon for 25 yrs , he has never fabricated anything to my knowledge. He and I have different suspects, yet I still love the man and his integrity .

All I have seen is the scrawling in the thread I posted, signed LL. If he used a variety of different "secret codes" and won’t make us privy to the knowledge, I am going to question it. And there is always a difference between intentional fabrication and seeing what you want. I am not saying I am even immune to this.

I know nothing of his integrity, I just find it interesting when a cipher decodes to a person he thought was guilty years earlier, at least that is how the story is told in the piece.

And I also do not believe Z thought most women were sluts, it doesn’t fit his MO. Where is the rape, molestation, or perhaps embarrassment by removal of clothing in a humiliating manner?

-m

Marie, I am not sure what you meant by Lyndon’s Celebrity Cipher solution not being logical and contained his suspects name? I saw it first hand and his suspects name isn’t anywhere to be found, unless I missed something?
His solution is about a woman that the writer felt was a slut, who liked younger men. If anything it shows the abbreviation of my suspects first name more than once.
The reason I think that the solution is logical, is that Zodiac hated women, probably thought most were sluts, so it made perfect sense to me.
Do I think Zodiac could be the writer? Yes

Lyndon studied code in the military and is very good at what he does. When I told him that I was working on the 340, he told me to make sure I didn’t try to make words fit to make a sentence . ( Many people do their solutions that way )
So I am very sure he didn’t do that with any of the ciphers that he did, to get his suspects name.

I have to say that if you use the solved ciphers as your "Rosetta Stone", you can come up with many names. Because there were so many symbols that were used for more than one letter of the alphabet. I was told that there were 9 symbols used for the letter S alone, so you can see how easy it would be to get many names from those symbols.

I found My suspects name in two ciphers, one being the "My Name cipher", it was the first initial of is first name, used for the letter K which is also used for /, you need to turn / backwards and it is the first letter of his first name R. The rest of the symbols fit his last name perfectly .
But as I said previously, many names can be made from those symbols and legitimately at that, without fudging.
The first 3 letters of the 340 are the first 3 letters of my suspects last name.

I have known Lyndon for 25 yrs , he has never fabricated anything to my knowledge. He and I have different suspects, yet I still love the man and his integrity .

All I have seen is the scrawling in the thread I posted, signed LL. If he used a variety of different "secret codes" and won’t make us privy to the knowledge, I am going to question it. And there is always a difference between intentional fabrication and seeing what you want. I am not saying I am even immune to this.

I know nothing of his integrity, I just find it interesting when a cipher decodes to a person he thought was guilty years earlier, at least that is how the story is told in the piece.

And I also do not believe Z thought most women were sluts, it doesn’t fit his MO. Where is the rape, molestation, or perhaps embarrassment by removal of clothing in a humiliating manner?

-m

Zodiac’s MO was killing lovers who were parked at lovers lanes, they weren’t parked there playing Parcheesi. Zodiac wasn’t a rapist (that we know of ) and he didn’t seem to be interested in molestation , he punished them for what he thought they were doing ,by killing them.

If it is true that he stalked Darlene, she as we all know dated many men while married to Dean. I believe that Zodiac and a few others felt she was acting slutty .

Some police detectives felt that there was a sexual component in his using a knife the way that he did on Cecelia Shepard, especially the abdomen, groin and breast area.
It is believed that he watched them making love before he walked towards them. ( There was physical evidence proving that )

I have no idea where you saw the Celebrity cipher solution, the one I saw was clearly written . Lyndon did not put his suspects name in that cipher as you have stated. I feel that I needed to make sure that other readers know that.

So what you are saying is that" if" Zodiac felt the women he killed were sluts, he would have raped or molested them and would have taken their clothes off to humiliate them ? He didn’t take the time to do that even if he wanted to , because he would kill and leave as quickly as he could. The longer he stuck around doing what you think he would have done if he thought they were sluts, could have gotten him caught, "if" he had the propensity to do that to his victims.

Back in the late 80’s to mid 90’s, someone claiming to be Zodiac, killed 12 females in Pittsburg Ca., he removed some of their clothes and dumped them like trash.
But because the police felt that the killer who claimed to be thee Zodiac, had sent notes and made at least one phone call to tell them where they could find the body, must have been a hoaxer.
Most of the victims weren’t put in the papers ,only a few victims were announced in the Contra Costa Times paper.

The police didn’t want to cause public panic ,by announcing that their killer was indeed a serial killer, so it was kept quite.
The killer has not been caught and seemed to have stopped ,after I did a stake out in the area where I knew he was picking these girls up, I spotted him and he saw me.
I couldn’t do much about it, he didn’t have a license plate on the front or back of his silver Honda like car. (It could have been another one of those odd coincidences.)

I did report him to the police and have found two girls that survived his knife attacks. I am doing what ever I can to help get this insanely cruel parasite off the streets, regardless if he thinks he is Zodiac or actually is.
If he truly is the Zodiac killer, then he has changed his way of collecting slaves as he said he would do.

I will politely disagree with him hating women. I understand the lover’s lane and have no remarks that it might not have been a prime or practical target. And yes, I have noted an item in the Lake Berryessa police report that to me would suggest more was going on, like a documented item. However, I think there are many things that are not taken into consideration.

He also killed a cabbie, and IMHO CJB, for which we can disagree. However, if he had time to rip apart PS’s shirt, he could have pulled down anyone’s pants, ripped a blouse, anything. But his killings were not about sex, or sluts.

-m