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Jarlve
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Through Nick Pelling’s The Cipher Foundation I became aware of the Scorpion ciphers (1991) more about. I find it incredibly similar to what we’ve seen from the Zodiac and have become convinced it was him under a new identity.

Edit: high resolution material of Scorpion communications: http://coldcasecameron.com/wp-content/u … Letter.pdf It says that the FBI examined the letters and reported they were not by hand of The Zodiac Killer. I believe they are.

High resolution images of Scorpion commnunications:

Scorpion1.png
Scorpion2.png
Scorpion3.png
Scorpion4.png
Scorpion5.png

S5 cipher:

1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10  11  12  13  14  15  16
1   17  18  19  20  21  22  23  24  25  26  27  28  29  30  31
32  33  34  35  36  37  38  39  40  41  42  43  44  45  46  47
32  48  49  35  50  51  52  53  54  55  56  57  58  14  59  60
61  62  63  64  65  51  66  67  68  10  69  70  71  72  73  74
32  75  76  77  78  51  79  80  81  82  83  84  85  14  86  74
87  88  89  90  91  6   92  23  93  41  94  95  96  97  98  99
100 101 102 103 104 105 106 67  107 108 109 70  110 111 112 113
1   114 115 116 117 118 119 53  120 10  121 122 123 124 125 126
100 62  127 90  128 129 130 53  24  41  26  84  71  131 30  132
133 134 127 135 136 137 22  39  68  25  138 139 140 141 15  142
143 144 127 145

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : September 24, 2015 12:54 pm
doranchak
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Here is an old thread from ZKF about it:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s1/sh/2e … 3daf70567c

And another thread here:

viewtopic.php?f=81&t=324

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : September 24, 2015 2:26 pm
glurk
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I stand by and affirm the posts I have made in the past about this. And no, I still don’t think it was the work of Zodiac.

-glurk

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I don’t believe in monsters.

 
Posted : September 24, 2015 2:59 pm
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knowing nothing about this, the second letter’s odd phrasing and how well the first column lines up makes me think the first letter of each row is a key to decrypting some message.

 
Posted : September 24, 2015 7:11 pm
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Was that the name of the serial killer in dirty harry Scorpio? The letter
Dose say something about a movie. Where was this letter sent from?
I know that it is 1991 the year it was sent. But, Riverside, Los Angeles,
Or some place Else ? He just used anothe name is all to confuse you
Confuse the authorities.

 
Posted : September 24, 2015 11:44 pm
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If it’s 1991 that was in the middle of Zodiac killer copycat Eddie Seda’s crime spree. He lived in NY… Who knows maybe in 1991 he wanted them to think he was in jersey.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heriberto_Seda

 
Posted : September 25, 2015 12:08 am
doranchak
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The shapes in the Scorpion ciphers remind me a little of Heriberto’s cipher:

Scorpion ciphers for comparison:

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : September 25, 2015 12:17 am
morf13
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I don’t think the writing looks much alike, that being said, I do see some marked similarity between the letter r and the Bates letter r, but the scorpion letters are really poor quality to look closer

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : September 25, 2015 5:16 am
Jarlve
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I’ve added high resolution images of the communications to the main post.

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : September 25, 2015 10:55 am
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did the scorpion writer kill anyone? if not, probably not zodiac. i don’t see zodiac writing secretly to john walsh vs writing again to the papers. that said, given the lack of new information, it probably is a worthwhile effort to look at similar writing/killing/ciphering communications in the late 70s, 80s, and 90s to see if the real zodiac did start up again somewhere else. i could see him not wanting to jump right in and declare himself due to advances in forensics, fingerprinting, chain of custody, but i could see him being "cute" about it and dropping hints to his identity. just my 2 cents.

 
Posted : September 25, 2015 4:07 pm
glurk
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Just as a question, has there EVER been a serial killer in history that was found to use more than one identity? Like – just made-up examples – Robert Roberts was "The Solar killer," "The Aries," and the "Salinas Slasher."

If there were some precedent at all for something like this, I’d be more likely to believe in the possibility of a multiple-identity killer. But right now, I’m just not seeing it, to be honest.

-glurk

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I don’t believe in monsters.

 
Posted : September 25, 2015 5:00 pm
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of their own volition, i can’t think of anything. ear/ons was dubbed separately by the press.

 
Posted : September 25, 2015 5:27 pm
morf13
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Did I miss it? Are there any copies of the envelopes these letters were mailed in? Also, where were the scorpion letters postmarked from?
I thought this 1978 letter might be worth comparing

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : September 25, 2015 6:00 pm
morf13
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Some cipher Guys discussing these ciphers here-
http://www.ciphermysteries.com/scorpion-ciphers

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : September 25, 2015 6:10 pm
morf13
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Hey Guys, check this out- Anything look or sound familiar?
https://www.blackgate.com/2014/06/25/do … -of-death/

"“This is the Scorpion, speaking to the members of the Malcolm scientific expeditiion"

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : September 25, 2015 6:14 pm
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