The guy that owned the Colorado cattle ranch, and used that Z symbol, also lived in southern CA at some point,but I dont recall the years he was there. I think it was in the Los Angeles area.

ANother thing I just spotted(sorry if somebody pointed it out already), at this page of the comic-
http://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=21570

It mentions ‘LADY DOOM’, and Zodiac wrote you are DOOMED in the Halloween card.

Also, ‘THE DEATH WHEEL’ , sounds similar to the ‘THE DEATH MACHINE’ as described by zodiac

I mention the Lady Doom & "you are doomed" in my first post.

I actually downloaded this via the same site last night…after I found the cover. Another thing I found interesting is the Red Ryder advertisement in the back. These were both popular comics at the time and it wouldn’t surprised me if the symbol on the front WAS influenced by that cattle brand. Doesn’t have to mean a thing necessarily. He could have just liked it. That is how I came across this cover…looking for that Red Ryder cattle brand.

Morf–you asked earlier where I stood in regards to Zodiac writing it. My opinion has not changed.

So what your saying then T is that this is a fantastic discovery made by yourself as to the inspiration used by the ‘Secret Pal’ author but it’s really irrelevant and not of any significance because Zodiac didn’t create and send any such card to Mr ‘Paul Averly’?

ANother thing I just spotted(sorry if somebody pointed it out already), at this page of the comic-
http://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=21570

It mentions ‘LADY DOOM’, and Zodiac wrote you are DOOMED in the Halloween card.

Also, ‘THE DEATH WHEEL’ , sounds similar to the ‘THE DEATH MACHINE’ as described by zodiac

I mention the Lady Doom & "you are doomed" in my first post.

I actually downloaded this via the same site last night…after I found the cover. Another thing I found interesting is the Red Ryder advertisement in the back. These were both popular comics at the time and it wouldn’t surprised me if the symbol on the front WAS influenced by that cattle brand. Doesn’t have to mean a thing necessarily. He could have just liked it. That is how I came across this cover…looking for that Red Ryder cattle brand.

Morf–you asked earlier where I stood in regards to Zodiac writing it. My opinion has not changed.

So what your saying then T is that this is a fantastic discovery made by yourself as to the inspiration used by the ‘Secret Pal’ author but it’s really irrelevant and not of any significance because Zodiac didn’t create and send any such card to Mr ‘Paul Averly’?

Even though I question if Zodiac wrote the HC card, I still find it quite relevant. If not Zodiac (and I don’t want to turn this thread into a pointing out the pros and cons since we already have a thread for that–not directing this at anyone in particular), someone had inserted himself into this case and the card has become a part of this case. I simply think WHOEVER wrote it was influenced by this comic by Tim Holt.

Thanks again to everyone for the kind words–especially ggluckman. Ya made me smile.

I think Mr Z is our Author here personally. The sarcasm: You ache to know my name, BOO. The Rant’s about PARADICE & SLAVES. The deliberate, possibly cryptic misspelling of Paul Avery, and finally, the direct threat to Avery "You are Doomed." Plus the handwriting is consistent IMO.

I think Mr Z is our Author here personally. The sarcasm: You ache to know my name, BOO. The Rant’s about PARADICE & SLAVES. The deliberate, possibly cryptic misspelling of Paul Avery, and finally, the direct threat to Avery "You are Doomed." Plus the handwriting is consistent IMO.

Like I said…I really don’t want to turn this thread into a discussion about this WC. Let’s please stick to the comic and it’s relevance to the HC card.

There is a written story–text, not drawings–called "Outlaw Hands" starting on page 19 that caught my attention.

The quality of the writing–the length of the sentences, the pacing, the level of grammar–reminded me of the Bates Confession letter. Does it seem that way to anybody else?

I am not suggesting it is the same author, but maybe it suggests the author of The Confession was influenced by the writing from comics. Others have noted how The Confession reads like cheap literature. Could it be comic book literature?

G

It seems worth mentioning that Death by Fire appears on the Death Wheel on the cover, but not on the wheel shown in the frame on the bottom left of page three.

(You can see what I mean on the images Tahoe posted at the beginning of the thread.)

Of course, the images of the wheel are quite inconsistent between frames. Artistic license, I suppose.

G

Amazing find…is Zodiac juvenile? The red headed lady part is freaking me out too…

What a find Tahoe…way to go!!

Here’s a really strange case that involved a comic book. This is from Laura Ann Bradbury’s fathers book Laura Ann Bradbury A Fathers Search.From page 76 Two people had information on Laura in Febuary 1985 Bill Leville 42, and his girl friend Toby Santangelo 21, They both lived in Pioneertown. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneertown,_California Bill and Toby went to the Morongo Valley Sheriff’s Station.They told told the sheriff they had information about Laura’s kidnapper they gave the sheriff a yellow baseball cap and a comic book with a local man’s name written on it, and a black and white photograph of the ex-girl friend of the suspect.They said said she would be named later.Bill and Toby claimed the yellow baseball cap which they had taken, belonged to the suspect.A day later, Bill found a comic book on their front door step on which was written, "Bill I have to talk to you".It was signed by the local Landers chemist they knew.The Sheriff showed the book to the Captain.Bill and Toby had requested protection when they brought the materials in. The captain told them they couldn’t protect everybody.Now, Bill had a little book hidden away.According to Bill,this book contained documentation on how and when Laura was kidnapped.A girl named Judy Thuett, a friend of Toby’s took this book and gave it to the desk sergeant.That was apparently the end of the book.It was reported lost. One of the sheriffs at the Morongo Valley Sheriff’s Department, who she claimed she gave the book to, stated that he did not see it.Another friend,named Reid,tells us he had the book in a safe deposit box.Bill Leville confided to Reid he believed he was going to be killed. Two months later Bill Leville was dead.Toby had left her husband, Douglas, a mechanic in Yucca Valley,to live with Bill. Douglas knew nothing of the trouble Bill and Toby were in until both Bill and Toby were found murdered, shot through the backs of their heads and both buried in separate graves in a dry lake bed.There private detective claimed he saw a copy of the autopsy report, and the bullets were from a very rare handgun, he thought it was a Japanese Nambu from World War II, or something similar in size, because of its unusual caliber.But they were both apparently kidnapped from their home, hands tied behind their backs, and driven to a remote dry lake and shot in the head.Their bodies were found by Marines hiking in a very remote dry lake bed and found bill’s arm sticking up out of the lake bed. http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/293785 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showth … p?t=113068

Awesome Find, Tahoe!
I keep thinking about it & I really like it!

Zam*

The guy that owned the Colorado cattle ranch, and used that Z symbol, also lived in southern CA at some point,but I dont recall the years he was there. I think it was in the Los Angeles area.

Wow if that’s true he can be placed in the area of many crimes..personally I don’t believe in accidential events, so the hardest part probably was to get the connection between Colorado and Calif..such connection shows that the symbol is not only similar but possibly the same symbol Z had used.

The questions now is: How is Z connected to the Colorado drawing / ranch..

QT

Hmmm, each time the artist drew the wheel differently.

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G

Yes, that’s kind of odd but each wheel does have 12 diabolical methods of death, which would certainly be attractive to a guy who named himself Zodiac, no? …

Actually, if you look closely, the wheel on the cover page would not have 12 diabolical methods of death. It would only have 6. Or maybe only 5, for that matter. It is configured much differently than the others.

I notice the letter W is visible near the back of Redmask’s head, which presumably would have indicated "Death by Water". That seems rather apropos: Z-researchers have been commenting for ages how the murders seem to have water references nearby. (I haven’t personally invested a lot of thought in that idea, but it might make sense, given that the Zodiac’s canonical killings seem to correspond to the visible elements of the Death Wheel from the front page.)

I was also wondering if the visible elements on any of the cartoon wheel would happen to align with the canonical murders. Doesn’t look it to me, but that is a Penn-centric way of looking at matters. Let’s suppose for a second that Z, in his imagination, was actually using a Death Wheel based on the front page image, how might he play his game?

Well, in the comic, the Death Wheel in the drawing is supposed to spin and a pointer near the top would indicate the means of death. If we superimpose the Death Wheel image over the Mount Diablo map code drawing, the pointer at the top might correspond to magnetic north. That would tell you something about how the killing should be carried out, but it wouldn’t say where anything is suppposed to happen. It also doesn’t include a mechanism to define how far the wheel spins.

That could be where radians come into play. Radians are generally thought of as an angle, but they are really distances around the circumference of a circle, which, [when measured in relation to the length of a known radius,] will correspond to an angle. (In other words, they are radial distances first, then those distances are understood as angles.)

In other words, radians could suggest how the static image of a wheel could be spun "mathematically", so to speak. If this was the intent, then I would expect we are looking for some large numbers, especially if our unit of measure is to be inches.

Right now this is still a half-baked notion in my mind–hopefully others can see what I am getting at–but it might be a starting place for a new look at the Mt Diablo map code puzzle.

G

Perhaps an even more interesting thought is, could you find a way to operate the Death Wheel to decide not only means of death and location, but also the date when it should occur?

Don’t know much about astrology, but this is starting to sound like casting a horoscope, in a twisted way. A horoscope determines one’s fate based on birth at a particular place and time. This would be a horror-scope that determines a victim’s fate based on a means of death at a particular place and time.

Just thoughts, but, hmmm, no weirder than anything else in the Zodiac universe.

G

G, I just mean that this comic death wheel is divided into 12 parts like the astrological Zodiac wheel even if the creator was too lazy to think up 12 different diabolical methods of killing. To me, it adds somewhat to the attraction Zodiac might have felt to the idea and the likelihood that he might have borrowed the idea for his own communications.