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xEnigm4x
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The hundred or so "Solutions" to the 340 cipher!

(which remains unsolved, of course.)

Yeah, this one is way up there for me. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate everyone’s effort in trying, but don’t put it out there as "Solved" when 99% of your code makes absolutely no sense at all, or just fits what you WANT it to say.

HMPF PF HMZ ΦXℲPGƎ FԀZG/POR!

 
Posted : August 22, 2014 8:50 pm
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My biggest irk…it’s not solved.

Even worse is what this has done for Z’s ego. If he is still alive, I imagine he still thinks he’s the shit. 45 years in and still eluding capture. He probably has read messageboards devoted to him and laughed his ass off at all the directions we have taken this case. The worst thing about psychopaths is there is no cure. They all go to their graves as unremorseful monsters. In a few years I will have to explain to my daughter that monsters really do exist, but they happen to look like everyday people. That sadens, frightens, and infuriates me.

 
Posted : August 23, 2014 4:35 pm
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a photoalbum containing a few key pictures at LHR or LB prior to the attacks..same for other sites..why no photos of gaik in 68/69 which are reported to exist ….that small insignificant photo or item that somebody has tucked in a shoe box that is considered of no value..what small detail am I not seeing in what is available..its always that 50cent part that breaks which causes everything around it to go down at once…lotta things irk me these are just some of my bigger irks

 
Posted : August 26, 2014 6:21 am
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Agreed, biggest irk is that it hasn’t been solved. Interesting thing about serial killers, we can learn from the past, people thought the Green River Killer would never get caught or BTK would never get caught. I bet someday in the next 10 years, this will be solved. Though I feel the Zodiac is probably deceased (I have no proof of this), his identity will be proven some day. Maybe even by a relative who can prove their relative is the killer, even though most of those people seem to be kooks and publicity/money hounds. We will know some day (I hope).

 
Posted : September 13, 2014 4:40 am
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"Suspect is a Negro male adult."

That was the biggest blunder; the most frustrating part.

If not for that one mistake, Zodiac would be either dead or captured.

 
Posted : September 15, 2014 1:47 am
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my irk is that basically his "genius" was information overload.

there are too many crime scenes, too many weapons, too many witnesses, and too many mailings. since we don’t know for sure which letters (or crime scenes)are his and which are impostors it’s impossible to even reliably gather data. we end up pondering over the position of letters, hidden meanings, astrological connections, similar crimes, etc.

 
Posted : September 15, 2014 4:20 pm
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"Suspect is a Negro male adult."
That was the biggest blunder; the most frustrating part.
If not for that one mistake, Zodiac would be either dead or captured.

Weeeeell.
If they’d stopped "that guy" and arrested him, would they have tested his handwriting in case he was Zodiac? Checked to see if he had an alibi for BRS, LHR and Berryessa?
No reason to…………

my irk is that basically his "genius" was information overload.

there are too many crime scenes, too many weapons, too many witnesses, and too many mailings. since we don’t know for sure which letters (or crime scenes)are his and which are impostors it’s impossible to even reliably gather data. we end up pondering over the position of letters, hidden meanings, astrological connections, similar crimes, etc.

Amen!

 
Posted : September 15, 2014 7:04 pm
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Weeeeell.
If they’d stopped "that guy" and arrested him, would they have tested his handwriting in case he was Zodiac? Checked to see if he had an alibi for BRS, LHR and Berryessa?
No reason to…………

They would’ve tossed his home, no doubt… and found some incriminating items.

 
Posted : September 15, 2014 9:28 pm
duckking2001
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"Suspect is a Negro male adult."
That was the biggest blunder; the most frustrating part.
If not for that one mistake, Zodiac would be either dead or captured.

Weeeeell.
If they’d stopped "that guy" and arrested him, would they have tested his handwriting in case he was Zodiac? Checked to see if he had an alibi for BRS, LHR and Berryessa?
No reason to…………

So what you’re saying is, assuming that guy was Zodiac, that they would have arrested him, charged him with Paul Stine’s murder, and even though the Zodiac was caught, they wouldn’t know he was the Zodiac and we’d still have the unsolved Zodiac crimes today, just minus Paul Stine and all his later letters?

If I’m comprehending that right, that’s an interesting idea I hadn’t considered.

 
Posted : September 16, 2014 12:48 am
smithy
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Ducky – yes, that’s right, an interesting idea.

Nacht – his accomplice would have made sure that his gun collection, bottles of ink, collection of comedy cards and comics, bomb-making equipment and hood were all safely flushed down the toilet.

 
Posted : September 16, 2014 1:27 am
JollySlugg
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Wasn’t there a Zodiac copycat killer circa 1990?

Surely if the real Zodiac were still alive in 1990, he would have been outraged and sent letters to newspapers about this imposter?

If he was dead by 1990, less than 20 years after his last contact, that would indicate he wasn’t the youngish man he’s often assumed to be?

 
Posted : September 16, 2014 5:13 am
vasa croe
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Wasn’t there a Zodiac copycat killer circa 1990?

Surely if the real Zodiac were still alive in 1990, he would have been outraged and sent letters to newspapers about this imposter?

If he was dead by 1990, less than 20 years after his last contact, that would indicate he wasn’t the youngish man he’s often assumed to be?

Only if he died of old age I guess….people die all the time of odd stuff. I would think it likely that Z didn’t take really good care of himself. Quite possibly involved with drugs. Hell, for all we know he may have been killed by someone he attacked or may have been killed by another serial killer in the area….seems there were plenty of them in the area back then

 
Posted : September 16, 2014 6:35 am
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Wasn’t there a Zodiac copycat killer circa 1990?

Surely if the real Zodiac were still alive in 1990, he would have been outraged and sent letters to newspapers about this imposter?

If he was dead by 1990, less than 20 years after his last contact, that would indicate he wasn’t the youngish man he’s often assumed to be?

You’re assuming he was psychologically the same man in 1990 as he was in 1968.

People die of accidents, sudden illnesses, all kinds of stuff.

 
Posted : September 16, 2014 8:21 am
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"Suspect is a Negro male adult."
That was the biggest blunder; the most frustrating part.
If not for that one mistake, Zodiac would be either dead or captured.

Weeeeell.
If they’d stopped "that guy" and arrested him, would they have tested his handwriting in case he was Zodiac? Checked to see if he had an alibi for BRS, LHR and Berryessa?
No reason to…………

So what you’re saying is, assuming that guy was Zodiac, that they would have arrested him, charged him with Paul Stine’s murder, and even though the Zodiac was caught, they wouldn’t know he was the Zodiac and we’d still have the unsolved Zodiac crimes today, just minus Paul Stine and all his later letters?

If I’m comprehending that right, that’s an interesting idea I hadn’t considered.

that is actually an excellent theory; ‘what if zodiac WAS caught and we just don’t know it?" – you’re absolutely right that other than LB (the zodiac hoodie) there would be nothing tying him to the zodiac at the scene of each crime (as far as we know). what if he DID commit a crime after stine, got caught, but nothing screamed "this is the zodiac", he kept his mouth shut and served his time and retired or otherwise is still in jail? interesting.

 
Posted : September 16, 2014 4:20 pm
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my irk is that basically his "genius" was information overload.

there are too many crime scenes, too many weapons, too many witnesses, and too many mailings. since we don’t know for sure which letters (or crime scenes)are his and which are impostors it’s impossible to even reliably gather data. we end up pondering over the position of letters, hidden meanings, astrological connections, similar crimes, etc.

and the fact that the people closes to "Dee" were the very same people who led investigators on a wild goose chase. From listening to my mother a friend of Dee’s, she started to believe throughout time that the act of the "Zodiac" was perpetrated by more then one person. I also heard her say "I don’t think Dee was killed by the Zodiac–if there even was a Zodiac..;" which leads me to believe that the "Zodiac" is indicative or symbolic to something bad occurring within the Vallejo and Napa Police Department. It is my opinion, Attorney General’s Office has the power to solve and conclude the Zodiac Killing murders. However, the seed of the Zodiac was planted when the first letter was published. I do appreciate this site because it keeps the Zodiac investigation alive. I hope my theory is wrong because I would rather believe the works of the Zodiac was perpetrated by some creepy guy rather than corrupt law enforcement, as I have many law enforcement friends that I have respected throughout the years whom I came in contact :| Namaste.

 
Posted : September 19, 2014 1:41 am
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