Seems the most obvious connection between all the victims, or known victims I should say, was that they were all students, either high school or college. I’m not sure the possibility of that being a pertinent connection have ever been looked into thoroughly.

Hmm… good point.

Two of the female victims were riverside students, if you consider cheri jo a zodiac that is. Cheri jo and Cecilia Shepard were both riverside college students.

One of my main POIs was a plain clothes officer assigned to police "lovers lane" areas, meaning that he had likely had encounters with all of the local students…

…but ill move off of that topic for now.

I consider CJB a Zodiac victim, but am not totally convinced she is. I am however fairly certain Domingos/Edwards were Zodiac victims and both were students at Lompoc High.

As for your POI, I think it’s been show he couldn’t have made the phone call so would have had an accomplice. I wouldn’t discount him for BRS and maybe even LHR, but the others are pretty far away, especially the early possible victims CJB and Domingo/Edwards. They’re SoCal. So if all are Zodiac victims you’d have to put your POI in that area if he was killing people he knew. Plus there’s the Stine killing and he looks nothing like that suspect.

I mean, BRS and LHR are close enough he could have done them, or been involved, while on duty, but the others would have had to be done while off work. The thing to show further evidence would be if you could get work records for the other killings, or exactly where he was during those killings, like maybe living in SoCal at the time. Domingo/Edwards was in ’63 and CJB in ’65.

I think his motive was the thrill of the hunt.

Exactly. And part of the hunt is bragging to the rest of the "tribe" about your exploits, hence the letters. More than that, it’s a way to relive and even embellish the tale of the hunt. The actual act only lasts a few minutes. A true hunter will relish retelling the tale of his prized prey for the rest of his life…

I think his motive was the thrill of the hunt.

Exactly. And part of the hunt is bragging to the rest of the "tribe" about your exploits, hence the letters. More than that, it’s a way to relive and even embellish the tale of the hunt. The actual act only lasts a few minutes. A true hunter will relish retelling the tale of his prized prey for the rest of his life…

We are about 99 and 9/10’s percent sure that Zodiac knew Darlene and stalked her for some time. I will always believe that he was the man she called Honcho, who went with her and Jim to NY and the Virgin Islands. That he was who she saw kill someone. He became worried when she started to date VPD cops. I am convinced that his room mate was Don Porter who lived in Vallejo and who I dated for a while. I saw the room mate a few times and everything that I remember about him fits Z to a tee !He liked to play the piano and was a loner,about 30 yrs old, brown curly hair. ( Not sure If I saw him with glasses or not?) Very odd sounding voice!

He had to kill Darlene to keep her quite, but he had to make it look random, which turns out he did with out anyone looking into what Darlene may have known about him, or what she was doing when she was not at work?
She is the key to the case. Yesterday was her birthday, RIP Darlene we will get him!

Hi
New to the site, first post, but a long time follower of discussions and all things zodiac.

My hypothesis is that Zodiac’s motivation is sexual. For two main reasons:

First he admits the sexual nature (for him) of killing. He states in the decoded cipher: “it is better than getting your rocks of with a girl”

Second, many of these serial type killers kill for sexual reasons: Bundy, Gacy, Rader, Dahmer, Berkowitz and Ramírez to name a few we’re all sexually motivated. Bundy sums it up in one of his last interviews: the progression of a sexually motivated murderer.

There are different motivations for different type killers like serial bombers, but for this type of serial killer, it’s a sexual motivation.

Hi
New to the site, first post, but a long time follower of discussions and all things zodiac.

My hypothesis is that Zodiac’s motivation is sexual. For two main reasons:

First he admits the sexual nature (for him) of killing. He states in the decoded cipher: “it is better than getting your rocks of with a girl”

Second, many of these serial type killers kill for sexual reasons: Bundy, Gacy, Rader, Dahmer, Berkowitz and Ramírez to name a few we’re all sexually motivated. Bundy sums it up in one of his last interviews: the progression of a sexually motivated murderer.

There are different motivations for different type killers like serial bombers, but for this type of serial killer, it’s a sexual motivation.

You do realize Zodiac never once sexually assaulted any of his victims? Didn’t have sex with them, didn’t masturbate over them…nothing of the sort. So where do you get this idea?

Hi
New to the site, first post, but a long time follower of discussions and all things zodiac.

My hypothesis is that Zodiac’s motivation is sexual. For two main reasons:

First he admits the sexual nature (for him) of killing. He states in the decoded cipher: “it is better than getting your rocks of with a girl”

Second, many of these serial type killers kill for sexual reasons: Bundy, Gacy, Rader, Dahmer, Berkowitz and Ramírez to name a few we’re all sexually motivated. Bundy sums it up in one of his last interviews: the progression of a sexually motivated murderer.

There are different motivations for different type killers like serial bombers, but for this type of serial killer, it’s a sexual motivation.

You do realize Zodiac never once sexually assaulted any of his victims? Didn’t have sex with them, didn’t masturbate over them…nothing of the sort. So where do you get this idea?

I would say he was rejected by girls growing up, resented them (and the guys who weren’t) and wanted to kill them as opposed to him being vulnerable to rejection again. In a roundabout way, it was sexual. It’s why he mostly attacked couples and made sure the women died. It’s better than getting your rocks off with a girl sounds like a line from a liar who has never gotten his rocks off with a girl. Throwing that in and the way he liked to talk himself up screams this is a lie imo. Why? To deflect from the fact he hadn’t and that’s why he kept killing them.

Hi
New to the site, first post, but a long time follower of discussions and all things zodiac.

My hypothesis is that Zodiac’s motivation is sexual. For two main reasons:

First he admits the sexual nature (for him) of killing. He states in the decoded cipher: “it is better than getting your rocks of with a girl”

Second, many of these serial type killers kill for sexual reasons: Bundy, Gacy, Rader, Dahmer, Berkowitz and Ramírez to name a few we’re all sexually motivated. Bundy sums it up in one of his last interviews: the progression of a sexually motivated murderer.

There are different motivations for different type killers like serial bombers, but for this type of serial killer, it’s a sexual motivation.

You do realize Zodiac never once sexually assaulted any of his victims? Didn’t have sex with them, didn’t masturbate over them…nothing of the sort. So where do you get this idea?

I would say he was rejected by girls growing up, resented them (and the guys who weren’t) and wanted to kill them as opposed to him being vulnerable to rejection again. In a roundabout way, it was sexual. It’s why he mostly attacked couples and made sure the women died. It’s better than getting your rocks off with a girl sounds like a line from a liar who has never gotten his rocks off with a girl. Throwing that in and the way he liked to talk himself up screams this is a lie imo. Why? To deflect from the fact he hadn’t and that’s why he kept killing them.

Yes, there can be a sexual motive to serial killing despite overt visual signs. For example, feeling power over his victims may have brought him a surge of sexual satisfaction, let alone fantasising about the crimes later on. Zodiac has always come off to me as someone who may be very emotionally withheld in his normal everyday behaviour, and may have had a fairly prude upbringing, so for him the sexual pleasure brought on by his actions might be so shame/guilt-inducing that the overt manifestations of it are remain strictly to his eyes only. For all we know, he may have regularly gotten his rocks off simply by looking at a picture of one of the female victims.

I also agree that most were sexually motivated. Ken Narlow believed that was why he stabbed Cecelia so many times and in her abdomen.

Dave Toschi told me that Zodiac masturbated while writing some of the letters. That should be some good DNA if the letters were kept in a fairy cool environment?

San Francisco stays pretty cool year round, so I am hoping that has preserved the letters and envelopes.

My take is that he did everything for attention. I’d also think that if he left a shedload of “gentleman’s relish” over the letters as he was writing them then forensics would have picked up on something like that a long time ago.

He no doubt got a thrill (possibly sexually) when writing the letters and bragging about his exploits but I reckon he’d have been very careful about leaving physical evidence over anything he sent in.

I believe Z’s first victim was Cheri Jo Bates. Contemporaries of that tragedy who lived in Riverside stated that the city was in shock and turmoil; that such violence was unheard of in Riverside. The manner in which Bates was murdered suggests, to me, that she was a victim of pathological rage; that her murder was personally important to Z. Z received secondary gratification from the civic uproar he’d generated, which led to his PR activities with which we’re all familiar. He became a publicity hound who murdered secondarily, as a means of gaining attention, and manipulating whole populations. Thus, the progression: killer-celebrity to celebrity-killer.

I believe Z’s first victim was Cheri Jo Bates.

I’ll always believe Domingo/Edwards were his first victims that we are aware of. The similarities between their murders and the LB attack are too striking to ignore.

I believe Z’s first victim was Cheri Jo Bates.

I’ll always believe Domingo/Edwards were his first victims that we are aware of. The similarities between their murders and the LB attack are too striking to ignore.

He’s a park ranger Dennis Land i’m thinking. Pt. 2 – NEW Clues – The Zodiac Killers Crime Scenes And Their Close Proximity To State Parks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Jk6ok8e1Q "I want to report a murder – no, a double murder. They are two miles north of park headquarters. They were in a white Volkswagen Karman Ghia." This is the Zodiac speaking – My name is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZrjZNH0MxM And don’t forget to watch part 1.Pt. 1 – NEW CLUES – The Zodiac Killers Last Letter and Map – "The Map,You,Fall" "He’s a Park Ranger" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9OJ1XdKklA